Posted on 08/24/2013 6:54:53 PM PDT by onceone
I have not actually posted in some time, other then the occasional reply to a post, and now I post a vanity. I encountered the California Highway Patrol while carrying concealed and wanted to share the experience.
I was returning from Sacramento to my home near Angels Camp, in the Motherlode region of the state, when I crested a rise in the road . My radar detector, I have one for entertainment not circumvention of the law, went off and I saw a CHP on the shoulder to my right, a CHP approaching in the opposite lane, and behind the approaching CHP a CAL Fire truck with emergency lights flashing. I braked and moved to the shoulder and the CHP on the shoulder turned on their lights and moved in behind me. Crap.
Now I have been concealed carrying in CA for at least 17 years, and this is the first time I have encountered any LEO in their official capacity while I was armed and away from my house and property. At home I open carry so there is never a surprise. For the last few weeks, for what ever reason, I have been thinking about what I would do if just this situation arose. Here is what happened. This young, thin framed, female officer got out of her vehicle and approached the passenger side of the car and after we exchanged greetings asked me if I knew how fast I was going. I gave her a number I believed to be accurate, she responded with a number 6 mph faster. Her number made for a much more significant citation, but I just told her I did not agree with her but was not going to argue with her. She asked to see my license. This is what I did.
I told her my license was in my right rear pocket, my permit to carry a concealed weapon was in my left rear pocket and the handgun was in my right front pocket. I asked her how she wanted to proceed. She asked me to exit the vehicle and meet her at the back of the truck. She had me turn-away from her, place my hands on the back of my head, and she started to remove the gun from my right pocket. She started to remove the gun and I asked her to stop and slide the gun back into the holster and take the gun and the holster out in one motion as the gun was a Glock and I wanted to keep the trigger covered. She did, and then placed the gun on the front seat of her vehicle. She came back and I repeated the hands on the head while she searched me for any other weapons. I told her I had a knife in another pocket, which she removed, and then asked me for my driver license, and my ccw permit. She looked at my license and my permit and requested that I slow down while driving, returned my knife and my gun. We exchanged pleasantries and I went on my way. I fully expected to receive a citation. I deserved a citation. I do not know why she decided not to cite me.
Often times we have articles condemning the actions of LEOs, and rightly so. I just wanted to share, what I consider to be a good experience.
Well, certainly there are state-by-state variations. After all, that is what "federalism" was/is supposed to be all about. Eventually, perhaps, we will get to the point where most states use "Vermont CCW rules".
Unfortunately, the FedGov is trying to force all states into the same cookie-cutter pattern which more resembles Chicago than Vermont. I am certain that the passage of CCW by (now) all states, and the start of the trend to passing "stand your ground" laws and "Vermont-style" weapons licensing are causing the Procrustean-bed thinkers severe angst.
Not to mention that "assault weapons" and ammunition for same continue to fly off dealers shelves, despite large price increases.
Angst is good!!
Now that was screamingly funny!
Greetings fellow extremist. You are so right.
:^)
No, aside from the hippies, it is pretty wonderful.
If SB 396 is allowed to become law, then you could be arrested for possessing a "high capacity" magazine in that Glock. This bill, which is currently in the Assembly Appropriations Committee's "suspense" file, would make it a crime to sell, give, or lend a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. It would also outlaw possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and authorizes confiscation of the offending items.
Though it's in the "suspense" file, it can be brought back during the last two days before the Assembly Appropriations Committee's deadline to consider legislation. It's important that gun owners both in CA and in other states contact the committee members and urge them to oppose this bill. (Why other states? Becuse this kind of stoopid doesn't stop at the state line! If it passes here, you'll see it in your state one day.) Click the link above for contact information for the committee members.
Good job because the officer probably already knew you had a carry permit... linked to the driver’s license in Texas.
I wouldn’t consider it a good experience. Police don’t have any legitimate power to disarm you or search your person during a traffic stop. Their duty in a traffic stop is to investigate the traffic issue and write (or not) the ticket.
Yeah,
Totally HOT STORY!
You do have a Right to carry. You are just not allowed to exercise that right. Even CCW is a violation of that Right. The Constitution says it “shall not be infringed.” Having to get a permit is most definitely an infringement.
I agree. However, I am dealing with the laws as they are right now, not how they should be.
“But” is not warranted. I was stating the situation as it is. I don’t like it when even conservatives speak of “right” as if it were a synonym ofor “privilege,” a benefit revocable by government. The government can prevent the exercise of a right but cannot erase that right, else it is not a right but a privilege granted by government.
So...was she cute?
Actually, yes she was attractive. Both my wife and I thought she was too small for the job, maybe she weighs 110 lbs soaking wet. Scary job. Would not want my daughter doing it.
38 posted on 8/24/2013 9:36:35 PM by gitmo: “In my experience, it’s a bad idea to ask a female officer who is frisking you if they charge extra for that. Been there. Done that.”
Agreed.
Let's try to remember that female police officers, sheriff's deputies, state troopers, etc., deal with some very obnoxious and offensive men on a regular basis. That includes making sexually offensive comments to her.
As men, putting ourselves in the female trooper's shoes and asking how we would feel if we had her job is probably a good idea.
And if, as men, we can't conceive of being a female, let's try to ask how we would feel if the female officer were our wife. Personally, I'd probably try to slug any man who treated my wife the way most female officers I know get treated on a regular basis during problematic interactions with the public.
We all know some jokes fall flat with strangers that would work fine with friends. I can think of things I'd be willing to say as a joke to women I know well that I would never dream of saying to any woman wearing any uniform with whom I was dealing in any official capacity.
“You do not have to get out of the car. You can request a lawyer because she does not have the right of search under the 4 Amendment. She might have broken your window but you at that point have a case in court. She did not have reasonable suspicion since you did tell her you had a gun. She did not have the right to search you.”
All of that might be true, but because he announced he was carrying, properly, she made a request, he honored it, and probably not accidentally, she let him go with a warning.
She got the opportunity to check him out, safely, and he got to leave without a fine.
Fair dinkum in my book. Female officers, solitary, almost always feel like they have to go for the gun at the least sign of trouble. That he was considerate about her safety in removing his weapon just made the situation even easier.
We don’t live in a book, we live in real life.
94 posted on 8/31/2013 10:54:57 PM by onceone: “Actually, yes she was attractive. Both my wife and I thought she was too small for the job, maybe she weighs 110 lbs soaking wet. Scary job. Would not want my daughter doing it.”
Mdmathis6, deal with a female Korean MP sometime if you have done something seriously wrong, or for that matter, a civilian female Korean police officer who used to be an MP.
If you act professionally to that 110-pound Korean woman, things will probably go fine. A few Korean female officers in Korea like to use the power of their uniform to harass American men, but that is rarely a problem in the United States.
But if you decide to act like a boorish man, you may find out what the words “kimchi temper” mean.
I know a few Korean women in law enforcement who enjoy having a legal opportunity to demonstrate to men that dynamite comes in small packages, and some of those packages have yellow skin, black hair, and narrow eyes. ;-)
In America, I can't think of many juries which would convict a 110-pound female officer of police brutality against a much taller and heavier man. Imagine the snickers from the jury box as the guy points to the woman and says, “She beat me up!”
Realistically, things like that rarely happen in America anyway.
In Korea, I'm not so sure.
One of the more effective ways in Korea to humiliate an obnoxious drunken man is to have him physically restrained and then interrogated by female officers, proving to him and his friends that he was so “out of it” that even women could take him down. Never mind that some of those women might be quite capable of “taking him down” even if he was stone cold sober.
Bottom line: that petite 110-pound female police officer is very likely to be very confident in using her weapon because she knows she may have to use it more quickly than a 250-pound male officer, simply because of the impression given to a criminal by the relative body size of the two officers. She may also be quite capable of doing other things with unarmed combat techniques tailored to her size.
Underestimating physically small women can be a very big mistake.
I would have acted the same way if the officer had been a man. There was a very good chance I could have exposed my weapon if I had tried to comply with the officer’s request to see my license.
While there was never going to be a confrontational component to our interaction, my wife’s and my concern was for how others would react to her size. Due to her seeming fraility, others might be more inclined to forget that she carried a variety of weapons and the cover of her position to bring them to bear more quickly, and without repercussions from the court system. It just seems, in our modern society, she would face a higher number of confrontational situations than a male, or female, carrying an additional eighty to one hundred pounds of muscle.
No one is above the law.
I don’t think I spoke of underestimating any cop. A female cop maybe even more likely to shoot me or my dog!
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