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Obama’s new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program
Daily Caller ^ | 8/28/13 | Mike Piccione

Posted on 08/29/2013 3:56:36 PM PDT by Nachum

The White House announced on Thursday that it intends to “ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities” through executive order, which would effectively shut down the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program.

In a Fact Sheet published on Whitehouse.gov today referencing the upcoming executive order the ban on importing military weapons is designed to “keep military-grade firearms off our streets.” Exceptions for import may be allowed for museums.

The CMP tightly controls the importation of obsolete military weapons. The program was created by the U.S. Congress as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act with the purpose of allowing civilians to hone their marksmanship skills, should they later be called into military service.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; cmp; executive; guncontrol; guntrust; marksmanship; obamas; order; secondamendment
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To: Nachum; All

“Congress needs to impeach him now. Bring it to a vote just before the election, and then throw it to the Senate as the new Senate comes in.”

Glad to see some strategic thinking. The current Senate would laugh at impeachment.


51 posted on 08/29/2013 5:09:58 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; Nachum

When a new Congress comes into session, it starts all over. Bills, impeachments, etc., cannot be carried over from one Congress to the next.


52 posted on 08/29/2013 5:11:02 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: SkyDancer
“If Bush did just one percent of what Obama is doing .... where’s the MSM outrage of Constitutional rights being usurped by this moron?”

He is their moron, he is doing what they want, ergo, no outrage. They are despicable.

53 posted on 08/29/2013 5:11:38 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Publius

If the Congress ratifies impeachment, the new Senate would have to pick it up.


54 posted on 08/29/2013 5:12:15 PM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: Nachum
Incorrect. If the House that is leaving office votes for impeachment, it would not carry over to the Senate of the new Congress.

The new House coming in would have to impeach all over again.

55 posted on 08/29/2013 5:13:38 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: sport; All

“It is what the people want. It is what they voted for.”

I do not believe so. It is what they were tricked into.


56 posted on 08/29/2013 5:15:30 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Publius

You are correct. Thank you for the correction.


57 posted on 08/29/2013 5:16:28 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Publius

“The new House coming in would have to impeach all over again.”

I have never seen that. Do you have a reference for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/impeachment.aspx


58 posted on 08/29/2013 5:21:34 PM PDT by Nachum (I am Breitbartacus!)
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To: marktwain

If they were stupid enough to be tricked by such an obvious son of a bitch as Obama, then they are too stupid to live. They do not possess the intelligence to be able to breathe, and that is an instinctive reflex. No, they knew full well what they were voting for. They just don’t want to admit it. In their case, I can’t blame them. I would not admit it either.


59 posted on 08/29/2013 5:22:45 PM PDT by sport
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To: Nachum

In the rules of the House and the Senate, it is stated that everything starts afresh when a new Congress is seated. Nothing is carried forward.


60 posted on 08/29/2013 5:24:53 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Is there a mustache in Mexico?


61 posted on 08/29/2013 5:26:57 PM PDT by sport
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To: Nachum

Well, we will need a good gun manufacture pony up for production of a modern Garand.

I am no fan of the AR type rifles. Except the 308 version.

My taste call for a bigger bore.

If the production run was large and the right gun company took it on, we would not need to re-import weapons. Some one like Savage who already makes an excellent rifle at a very reasonable cost.

Imagine what they would be able to do with a huge production run. Or closer to home, some enterprising gun manufacturer in Texas could do the same thing.


62 posted on 08/29/2013 5:32:13 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
Springfield Armory built a mil-spec Garand clone for quite a few years, but eventually discontinued it. I still see them new in the box at gun shows, on occasion.

I suspect they'll bring it back, once the CMP supply dries up for good.

63 posted on 08/29/2013 6:09:36 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: C210N
I’m a bit concerned of a risk that our Imperial ‘Resident’s trashing the Constitution may trigger a pendulum swing in the other direction, handicapping the office for when we get a Real President.

A real president wouldn’t be using EO to do unconstitutional crap like this anyway.

64 posted on 08/29/2013 6:29:42 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Nachum

It is NOT an EO, it is an executive action, big difference.

Plus, the CMP does not import any rifles. The rifles they sell are received directly from the Dept of the Army after the Army acquires them.

This EA is directed at Century, Blue Sky and others like them. It is to stop the privately owned 25,000 Korean rifles from being imported and sold via distributors, NOT the CMP.

You can go to the CMP forums and see where their director answers this.


65 posted on 08/29/2013 6:56:36 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Nachum

Hell of a legacy for the first negro president.


66 posted on 08/29/2013 6:59:57 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: mylife
Kicking myself in the arse for never getting that Garand

Mine just went up in price...

67 posted on 08/29/2013 7:03:54 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble

So did my carbine.


68 posted on 08/29/2013 8:55:50 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: y'all

POWERS LIMITED, OBAMA, BIDEN SEEK ACTION ON GUNS

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps

One new policy will bar military-grade weapons that the U.S. sells or donates to allies from being imported back into the U.S. by private entities. In the last eight years, the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to come back to the U.S., the White House said, arguing that some end up on the streets. From now on, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.

The ban will largely affect antiquated, World War II-era weapons that, while still deadly, rarely turn up at crime scenes, leaving some to question whether the new policy is much ado about nothing.

“Banning these rifles because of their use in quote-unquote crimes is like banning Model Ts because so many of them are being used as getaway cars in bank robberies,” said Ed Woods, a 47-year-old from the Chico area of northern California.


69 posted on 08/29/2013 9:02:16 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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They’re also going after gun trusts. . .

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The Obama administration is also proposing to close a loophole that it says allows felons and other ineligible gun purchasers to skirt the law by registering certain guns to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks before the corporation can register those guns.

Using the rule-making powers at his disposal, Obama can only place that restriction on guns regulated under the National Firearm Act, a 1934 law that only deals with the deadliest weapons, like machine guns and short-barreled shotguns. For the majority of weapons, there is no federal gun registration.


70 posted on 08/29/2013 9:05:12 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: deks
The ban will largely affect antiquated, World War II-era weapons that, while still deadly, rarely turn up at crime scenes, leaving some to question whether the new policy is much ado about nothing.

Obama killed the re-importation of military rifles for the simple reason that we (meaning conservative guns owners) liked it.

Chicago thug politics - using your position to reward your friends and punish your enemies.

71 posted on 08/29/2013 9:36:49 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Nachum
Want an example of media bias? Here's a story from today's USA Today about Obama's EO restricting the importation of M1 rifles & carbines:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/29/obama-high-powered-firearms/2726607/

And here's the illustration they used in that story:


72 posted on 08/29/2013 9:43:23 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell

That looks a lot like “A Browning .50 Caliber Machine gun, left, and M240 machine guns are lined up for cleaning in U.S. Army barracks in Khost province, Afghanistan.”

As if we could buy them from the Civilian Marksmanship Program :-)


73 posted on 08/29/2013 10:15:08 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Charles Martel

Well, lets hope that Congress is still sane enough to put this putz back in his place.

I am going to do my part by letting my congressman know clearly about my extreme displeasure with these Executive Orders. Doubt I will be alone.

There is talk of an Impeach Obama gathering in DC. Guess we will see if that will happen.


74 posted on 08/30/2013 4:38:58 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Tijeras_Slim

yes...just the other day there was a drive by and the perps used M1 Garands.
they could load it let alone shoot one.


75 posted on 08/30/2013 5:05:03 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Nachum
This will stop that rash of street shootings by gangsta's using WWII Carbines and Garands !!

/s


76 posted on 08/30/2013 5:41:45 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You bring me the man, I'll find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Beria [and Eric Holder])
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To: mylife

They already have. You used to be able to get 8mm Mauser ammo for as little as 5 cents a round. Now if you can find it for less than 50 cents you snap it up.


77 posted on 08/30/2013 6:40:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Fiji Hill

No he doesn’t. The CMP does not “tightly control the importation of obsolete military weapons”. The CMP gets all of its firearms from the Army.

Many countries were armed after WWII under the Military Assistance Program (MAP) where they were LOANED firearms to rearm their military. Over the years as those countries declared the firearms obsolete, they were simply returned to the ARMY. Since the Army also considered them obsolete, they turned them over to the CMP.

Other countries like South Korea bought the firearms outright and now have a large surplus (up to 1 million rifles and carbines) that importers have bought and have been trying for years to get permission to import but have been blocked by both the Bush and Obama administrations.


78 posted on 08/30/2013 6:58:51 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Yeah, remember when everyone converted their 1919’s over to 8mm because it was so cheap?


79 posted on 08/30/2013 7:09:48 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

I do. Now you can’t find any 8mm either.


80 posted on 08/30/2013 7:16:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the people. T Jefferson)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I snagged 200 rounds of 50s production 8mm about 2 months ago for $90.
Haven’t seen anything since.


81 posted on 08/30/2013 7:27:23 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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