Posted on 10/16/2013 10:51:21 AM PDT by celmak
If you say so.
Somebody ban these KossKid trolls.
In the case of Obamacare, however, the problem isn't so much getting rid of an entitlement program.
Instead, the problem is all the damage Obamacare will inflict upon the infrastructure over the course of the 3 1/2 years before it can be repealed. The insurance industry will be re-structured to service the exchanges -- independent, individual insurance agents will be a thing of the past.
The medical industry will have morphed into a bureaucratic giant dedicated to providing mediocre care in the service of Obamacare -- while the practitioners who remain private will be organized around a strict fee-for-service structure.
Finally, advances in medical technology and pharmaceutical development will have come to a dead halt.
I also think Ted Cruz maneuvered enough to put attention on the to the Obamacare disaster as the website went up-and came down, and sticker shock began. It is not getting any more desirable, not is it likely to by January...
You did not write that “defund” was doomed to fail.
You wrote that “defund” was a bad idea. That is just what the RINOs say when they refuse to fight because they consider it “doomed to fail.” So nothing happens. Classic John Boehner.
If you do not fight Obamacare now, at a time when against tough odds we can still win, they you may well be stuck with it.
If you somehow mean fight now and are not exactly saying it clearly, make it clear.
But if you mean (like it looks) that you want to just lay down now and “hope” for the best later, which is what it looks like, then we got what you meant.
It will be very damaging. I pray we win in ‘14 and ‘16 to make sure to get rid of it.
Exactly — that infrastructure damage it part of why things never get repealed. Stop it NOW.
The only way we aren’t stuck with Obamacare is if we present a UNITED FRONT, and the sheeple are informed about just how bad it really is.
And I just saw a Unicorn, too...
I’m the last one laying down, trust me, but I also understand just how powerful uncountered propaganda is. And how WE have utterly failed in doing so.
While “we” were too busy at our jobs, raising kids, whatever, the left built a huge media machine that we can no longer get a message out over. Now we, and our children, have to deal with the costs of that failure.
The strategy that was used on us was to not bend at all, demonize, demoralize us. They did this because this is their ticket to getting all that they want. They knew the GOPe would be horrified and keel. They can and will do the same in immigration, They know the Tea Party is just everyday citizens, but they want everyday citizens to shut up. This immigration push will do that and make 2014 and 2016 a win for themselves. Perhaps a miracle will happen, but I won’t hold my breath.
There aren’t too many ways to stop them anymore. There are some, but...well, time is running out.
By the way, the GOPe is so wrong thinking the Tea Party and Cruz, Lee etc are to blame for how they were treated by the Rats. Would not have made a difference, they still would have been treated nastily because that was the Rat strategy from the get go.
It was doomed to fail (no way we could win). And it was a bad idea. GOP took a lot of the blame for the shutdown. It took focus away from making the failures of Obamacare, a central topic. So yes. IMO it wasn’t the best idea.
There are ways to fight now without the defund route.
Oops-”on the” will do.
If you remember, Cruz was asking his fellow GOP Senators to vote against cloture. They didn’t do it, and that was all the Dems needed to see that the Republicans were fractured and would cave into them in the end. The eventual outcome of this fight was decided 2 days after the filibuster when the GOP Senate caved.
The long shot result of the filibuster was stopping Obamacare. But the guaranteed result was in drawing a line between those GOP candidates willing to fight for their principles and the wimps, as well as the just plain batsh*t crazy ones like McCain and Peter King. We need to primary those people out if we’re ever to get a coalition who can actually get things done.
At least Cruz starting the fight got us something. The income monitoring for Obamacare is a better concession, in terms of managing the deficit, than delaying the mandate or taking away Congress’ subsidies. And we live to fight again another day since this is a short-term deal.
So I agree that we do not have a lot of power and that “the people’ are not what they used to be.
So should we not use the power of the branch of Congress that we control to NOT fund unconstitutional and stupid laws like Obamacare?
That is what RINOs ALWAYS ALWAYS do. That is why for one we should stick to our principles and FIGHT this.
This is a battle that we are supposed to win. We control the US House of Representatives, and it controlled the purse, and this is a fresh Congress not beholden to past bad decisions.
So do YOU want to fight now, or are you also capitulating despite our power like RINOs have for YEARS? Which?
It definitely was the Democrat strategy.
They also didn’t bend b/c they knew they didn’t have to. You think Reid and Obama are going to cut their baby off at the knees? Not a chance. Need to win Senate and Presidency.
Why not use the powers we legally acquired at the ballot box to run the purse of the USA in a constitutional manner?
That is what the House was elected to do!
Not to fund unconstitutional laws, however much of a lightning rod they are.
Surely you do not advocate that our representatives vote to fund unconstitutional laws!
But that’s what it looks like you you want them to do.
Have you not been paying attention to what has been happening for the last two weeks?
The Left knew in the original Obamacare battles, that if it passed, it would NEVER go away, because it would just be too easy to demonize those against it in the eyes of the low-info sheeple. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
Reality and truth no longer matter, in a media-controlled nation. Read “1984”. To today’s Radical Academic Socialists now in charge, that is an Operations Manual, not just a book.
Even if we win the senate and the presidency, they don’t have the balls to get rid of it.
It’s a lot of wear and tear on his body to do that filibuster; it’s not healthy. He’s at least given 10-fold of what most Republicans might think about doing.
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