Posted on 10/26/2013 1:04:01 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
Cops took no more than 10 seconds to fire six or seven shots into the body of dying teenager Andy Lopez after seeing him with a toy pellet gun. Mr Lopez was spotted by deputies on Tuesday afternoon in Santa Rosa, California, carrying the toy rifle, which they mistakenly thought was a real assault weapon. The time that elapsed between when officers reported the sighting to dispatch and then reported shots fired was only 10 seconds. Hundreds of local residents marched on Wednesday night to remember the popular teen and protest at the senseless shooting. They chanted 'We need justice' as they questioned how the deputies could mistake a pellet gun for an assault rifle.According to a police statement, Lopez was twice instructed to put down his weapon, officers opened fire after he failed to comply - only 10 seconds later. Sixteen seconds later, the cops radioed for medical assistance. Ethan Oliver, who lives across the street, told KTVU.com that the deputies continued to shoot at the boy, even after he had fallen to the ground. Oliver said he went outside after hearing two gun shots and by that time Lopez was already on the ground. ‘Then the cops went at it again and unloaded like six to seven shots,’ he said.When asked if he meant that the deputy shot Lopez while he was on the ground, Oliver said, ‘Yeah. Exactly what I saw.’ Authorities haven't responded to his claims, but it raises the possibility that Lopez was still alive when he hit the ground after the first two shots were fired.
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There is no requirement that the other person actually use force. The justification for the use of deadly force turns on the risk that a reasonable person would perceive.
A threat of force is enough, depends on the threat and many other factors.
Recall the Liberal argument that Obamacare is the law of the land.
Shooting someone who has not threatened anyone physically or verbally is WRONG.
If cops had to follow the same ROE as I did in OIF and OEF it would be less of these shootings.
Did it look like an AK47?
Since you pretty much have lived my childhood, I can’t add much.
[I had a plastic machine gun...squeeze the trigger and that thing made an unholy ruckus...I love it] :)
Do you recall the toy space guns with the flint mechanism inside?
You squeezed the trigger and sparks came out, along with that cheesy futuristic ray gun noise.
Good times.
Teen Joseph Kane emerges with MAK90 to kill 2 West Memphis, AR police officers.
“Over emote much?”
Me?
You’re the one that believes, based only on your emotions, that the cops should have somehow known he was 13.
I agree with that (with some very narrow exceptions), but my objection was to your contention that a threat of force was not enough, that what was required to justify the use of deadly force was to be attacked (unless you want to claim that "attacked" and "threatened" are synonyms).
In our legal system, you may not physically defend yourself until attacked. Threats are not sufficient to justify a violent reaction.
The boy must be a “white hispanic.” That would explain why the usual fake “reverends” aren’t out in the streets chanting.
Sounds to me like the cops have been told to eliminate anyone who has an object in their hands that they can call a ‘gun’ during the investigation.
In a few years, they’ll be killing anyone who “makes a gun with their fingers” and goes “bang bang.”
It’s the thought of a gun that is being criminalized.
False equivalence.
Anyone who thinks the world is just the same as it was fifty years ago is delusional. The same applies to anyone who thinks policing is the same now as it was back then.
Seriously...what are you?
My long lost brother??
:D
OK let me ask you a hypothetical.
Lets assume you are driving by your 6yo child’s school.
You see someone wearing a hoodie and carrying what appears to you to be an AK 47 walking towards your child’s school.
Do you run over that person with your car to stop them or do you just say oh well it might be a toy and let them proceed into your child’s school?
What would a reasonable person do with the information available at the time?
Anti gun type will say “let them walk in” thinking, kill a few kids great way to get rid of guns.
Not what’s known after the fact, at the time.
I know how you anti gun type work.
You’re the type that wants to make a claim, since accidents like this happen no one should own a gun.
Two can play your game.
Uh, yeah.
Because that’s *exactly* what I said, verbatim.
Sheesh.
I felt threatened®.
Defund the police. A free and armed people have little use for them.
and it shouldn't. All too often now days, cops are eager to pop a cap.
Story after story of cops raiding the wrong house, shooting dogs / people when alternatives are available.
Hell, there wayyyy past tazing citizens, pepper spraying, bean bag rounds or just plain ol whoopin with a night stick.
I don't know if the cops are being trained to do these things or if they are whipped up into a hyper-vigilant state perceiving every single person as a threat.
Advanced fully auto weaponry, armored cars / MRAPs, surveillance drones, GPS tracking devices attached to autos, flash bang grenades (distraction devices), warrentless searches, ALPR’s for mass tracking of individuals, webs a cameras...everywhere.
Police state? I dunno for sure, but this ain't your father's oldsmobile.
“I know how you anti gun type work.
You’re the type that wants to make a claim, since accidents like this happen no one should own a gun.”
Did you just have a stroke or something?
WTH is that ^ non sequitur crap up there?
— Is there a less stringent definition of “imminent danger” for the cops? —
You better believe it.
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Are you saying cops can shoot first and ask questions later? If so, why can’t I?
There are good reasons to have different rules of engagement as between cops and civilians, but those differences are routinely abused by the legal system. Cops literally get away with murder.
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