Posted on 10/29/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
Cruz said in an interview with Fusion that because his mother is an American citizen he is a citizen as well.
"I was a U.S. Citizen by birth and beyond that I'm going to leave it to others to worry about...legal consequences", he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
The issue is that we are now living in a post constitutional America.
***Good place to bump this thread for later reading. I have said in the past that historians will look at Berg vs. Obama as the dividing line between our constitutionalist republic and the American Empire; similar to how they trace the end of the Roman republic to the crossing of the Rubicon river by Julius Caesar.
No, they don’t. Most teenagers at that time were not setting off bombs - which is what he says he was doing. And the information about him has no verification whatsoever.
I’m not going after his father. I’m pointing out the liability of having a non U.S. citizen father when the candidate was born in a foreign country. And yes, I know that Obama got away with exactly that. But he was able to sustain the fiction that he was born here - though that shouldn’t have made a difference.
He really lost it on that thread, didn’t he?
Surprised the Viking kitties didn’t make an appearance.
Can't say I have the time to go back and read the referenced thread but my point is that because you have reservations on something does not make you a troll.
" Concern troll" imo is a phrase invented to shut down conversation instead of arguing the point.
Yeah, I can spot a troll here, nailed quite a few if I do say so my self, but it gets to a point that if you don't toe the current hue of the thread, you're labeled a traitor, or troll.
Sorry, I’ve lost the context to which you refer. Please remind me - tell you why - what?
“....Rafael Cruz Sr renounced his Cuban citizenship when he took Canadian citizenship as was required of all Canadians at that time that they not have dual citizenship. He followed suit when he renounced his Canadian citizenship on taking US citizenship.....”
Cruz SR is on record here, pledging his allegiance to the U.S., and that means a LOT to me.
He fled the land of his birth to live in freedom.
I have no doubts as to him or his son, Ted Cruz’ loyalty.
Oh for Pete’s sake: “YOU were setting off bombs when You were a teenager!”
Same here. But the truth is that Rafael Sr isn’t the issue. It’s Cruz’s mom. She is a lifelong US citizen.
Let them attack. Suddenly the US Constitution means something to them even though under the US law Ted Cruz is as eligible as John McCain to be President.
You see, there are two wings of the Birther movement. The smaller wing insists that Obama was born in Kenya. They lost the fight and now they want to punish everybody on our side for not taking them seriously.
Then there is the other wing of the birther movement (those more interested in preserving the US Constitution). I am of this wing. We have not concluded that Obama was born anywhere other than the United States of America. What concerns us is that the man totally ignored the eligibility requirement (and not necessarily because of his own eligibility as it may be to prove that American citizenship should no longer be a question when running for President of the United States. Obama's objective is to make the US Constitution no longer valid. He has succeeded, unfortunately.
I am part of the birther movement.
Do I believe Obama was born outside the US?
NO
Do I believe Obama is trying to invalidate the Constitution?
YES.
Either way, Ted Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States.
Those attacking Ted Cruz on these baseless claims also seem to think we should commit political suicide by following laws that others are not required to follow even when the law has nothing to do with Ted Cruz' situation.
Bottom line is, how can we expect those without documents to leave San Diego and return to Tijuana or wherever they may have come from if we ignore the undocumented one living in OUR White House?
Yup. I see he made a return visit to it a few minutes ago screaming “liar” at another well-respected poster who called him out.
If you mean he went out of his way to obscure his credentials just so he could thumb his nose at the Constitution, I agree with you.
And yet that thread I linked demonstrates the individual in question is undoubtedly a concern troll. It’s one thing to debate an arguable point, quite another to keep humping a debunked myth and leftist media talking points and dodging valid questions.
He’s here to cause trouble and sow dissent, and JimRob made it plain his opinion of those that intend to keep up that behavior. He’s had ample opportunity to demonstrate that he’s not, and has failed.
That's exactly what I mean.
As for Illegal Immigration, not enough focus is put on those wives and children left behind. I just did a google search on how families suffer because of illegal immigration and the results: Santorum want to break up families by deporting illegals.
Illegal Immigration breaks up families the moment the family member decides to illegally cross the border.
‘Those Who Remain’ focuses on families left behind in Mexico by migrants
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2009/03/those-who-remai.html#sthash.TTpmYudV.dpuf
Video: Documental "Los que se quedan" (in spanish)
That's good. We probably agree more than we disagree on this.
As to your questions, I'm disinclined to sit in anyone's inquisitor's chair. I think I laid out my thoughts on this over several posts on this thread. That'll have to do.
Sorry, FRiend. That is totally false. The United States Code that you quote is statutory law.
Cruz is a statutory natural-born citizen, meaning that his citizenship was granted at birth by federal statutue through the principle of jus sanguinis (via bloodline) as opposed to being granted at birth by the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution through the principle of jus soli (via place of birth).
The Foreign Affairs manual states:
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for PresidencyThe U.S. government absolutely does recognize the concept of statutory citizenship.
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
(...)
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Cruz is in the same boat that Obummer is in. If you love him, he is eligile. If you hate him, he is not.
You’ll find excuses and reasons either way.
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