Posted on 06/23/2014 1:16:39 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
The Bon Secours sisters (the nuns who ran the St. Mary's Home) providing death records to the Tuam registry office does not equate BURIAL RECORDS - locations of where the ALL the 796 children are buried at, nor does a memorial site mean that ALL of the 796 missing children were/are necessarily buried there.
Can the RCC provide proof that all of the 796 children are buried there? Did the Bon Secours sisters apparently keep death records, but not burial records, for the 796 children? If so, why not?
No Ad Homs...
If this is a left wing assault against Roman Catholics, how can this be so, when the majority of Catholics that voted in 2008 voted for Obama - a left winger by most people's account account here at FR?
If anything, it would be a Right Wing attack against Left-wingers.
When taking into account all of the RC’s that voted in 2008, of those that voted, most voted for Obama -— not McVain).
****BTW, was the term “fallen men” used at that time? If not, why not?****
Actually, relatively few of the children were buried at the memorial. That was some of the immediate pushback against the original article: that it was edited to sound as if 800 babies were found, when in reality, it was a much smaller amount. I would think it’d only be up to the Bon Secours sisters to bury them if no-one else would receive the bodies.
You’re rhetorically asking a question of FReeper Catholics as if we’re all at Tuam and could POSSIBLY answer. The fact that the press doesn’t provide that answer doesn’t mean anything. Can you prove to us that you’re not a Broney?
>> If this is a left wing assault against Roman Catholics, how can this be so, when the majority of Catholics that voted in 2008 voted for Obama - a left winger by most people’s account account here at FR? <<
It’s a pro-abortion assault against the Catholic church. And 66% of Catholic church-goers voted AGAINST Obama... it’s just that Catholic non-church-goers live in predominantly ultra-blue states, so when they revert to voting as non-Christians, they revert to voting as ultra-left wingers. Check out how non-Catholics from Massachusetts, New York, California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Illinois vote!
As far as I can tell much of this story is based on someone claiming to have seen remains of a baby in a septic tank. A lot of this is just sensationalism. The mortality rate at the home would be less than the whole of Ireland at the time.
Why they were buried in the field and did they properly register the deaths is the question.
This whole hoax is an ad hom against the Catholic Church. And those that keep repeating this hoax on FR should be shunned for cooperating with the progressive anti-Christian bigots responsible for this hoax.
I don't have to prove that I am not a Broney.
Asking me of this would be asking me to prove a negative, which is nigh impossible.
It would be like asking an atheist to prove that God does not exist.
I believe that God exists, and that Christ rose from the dead, etc, but it is not another person's responsibility to prove that God does not exist or prove that Christ did not rise, as asking that of someone else would be asking them to prove a negative.
I am not asking anyone to prove a negative though, and wouldn't.
If the Bon Secours sisters can provide death records to the Tuam County registry for 796 dead children, then why can't they keep the BURIAL RECORDS (caps for emphasis only) for where ALL these 796 children are buried at?
The onus (burden of proof) is upon them (either the Bon Secours or the RCC in general) to provide the positive for the burial records.
The Bon Secours sisters (the nuns who ran the place) apparently provided the death records for all of the 796 children - but not the burial records - as in location(s) for where all the 796 are buried at.
If not for both, then why not for both?
Read my last post.
No ad homs by me.
was it a common practice to bury the dead that way in those days?
Cafeteria Catholics.
Suspected this was a hit piece on the Catholic Church by the Atheist Leftists. One of their favorite targets.
Exactly -this is just the simple truth. Here's 796 death records. Okay, where'd you put the bodies? And, being the Church, under what conditions were they buried?
It's a lot of bodies, over a long period of time. Something systematic was going on. What was it?
Back before the 1960’s, there was morality, now there isn’t. Indeed this is an attempt to judge past social mores with today’s loose morality. I remember in high school in the early 60’s, I think one or two girls got pregnant, and it was considered a big scandal. The girls were removed from school, and the whispers and rumors echoed throughout the school corridors about the “bad” girl who got pregnant, and everyone tsked,tsked at the thought of it.
Nowadays, anything goes. Which way was better? This is a story without merit in Ireland, but it will be blown into gigantic proportions by the press and the Irish liberals. Talking about digging in a grave for a “sensational” story. This “story” makes me sick. Let the children’s bones rest in peace.
Their deaths were recorded, and their bodies were buried. Nothing nefarious occurred other than not having marked graves, but back in those days, pregnancy out of wedlock was a taboo, and kept hushed up, included their burial site. It would not be done the same today, but it’s 54 years past the 1960’s, and many more years later than before 1960, isn’t it. Geez, nothing worse than faux indignation.
Basically, they admit that they incorrectly reported:
They also stated that the researcher they quoted, who started the whole kerfluffel, "has since clarified that without excavation and forensic analysis it is impossible to know how many sets of remains the tank contains, if any."
Further, all the reporting I've seen to date completely ignores whether or not the nuns were overwhelmed by the situation they faced, the standards of care at that time, and so many other factors that would put the story in its proper context.
Very shoddy reporting and verification of the facts.
Anyone can claim to be a Catholic, my friend.
Maybe everyone should take a deep breath and take a look at this: http://tinyurl.com/nlh3954
Your obsession with this hoax has been one continuous ad hom against the Church after another.
Give it a rest. FR has suffered enough of this hoax and those obsessing over it already.
This... “poster” long ago descended into a sad self-parody of morally-diseased anti-Catholicism.
These threads should be shunned by unbigoted, non-Catholic-hating people with IQs over 70.
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