Posted on 06/23/2014 1:16:39 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
The “Septic tank” was a memorial, with headstone and marker. All the deaths were properly registered; that’s were the “800” number comes from; there were apparently far, far fewer buried in the mass memorial. Laissez-faire is insinuating that because the story doesn’t SAY there were burial records, we might as well guess that there weren’t.
Can you prove you’re not a disease-ridden crack whore?
I assume you are.
I get you, thanks.
That said, I think there’s still a pretty good chance that Laissez is a Brony.
“Very shoddy reporting and verification of the facts.”
That is the conclusion a reasonable person would reach.
And yes, I mean that those reaching other conclusions lack reason.
On FR most people realize that the argumentum ad hominem consists of using an assertion about a speaker to claim that he spoke wrongly.
For instance, “X is a a moron, therefore what he said is wrong.”
This is not the same thing as a simple insult. For instance, “You claimed that Socrates is not mortal even though he is a man and all men are mortal. That is illogical and incorrect. Oh, by the way, you are a despicable cretin.”
That is not an ad hominem.
What got up lf’s bloomers was an insult. “Somebody insulted me, so I decided to attack the Catholic Church by posting crap that’s been gone over again and again, and mostly shown to be unsupported.”
And no, I’m not going to bother to ping him. He doesn’t deserve the courtesy.
Compare and contrast what is going on at the border now and this.
Many Hispanics that I've dealt with in FL, TX & CO call themselves Catholic but only use the Church for free stuff.
They were busy conducting secret meetings at the Vatican. I can't tell you any more.
I read somewhere else that the child mortality rate was around 8%, which was equivalent to the child mortality rate in Ireland at the time.
You are an Islamophobe!
Sound familiar?
Those sounds like those who keep pulling up the canard of “anti-Catholic” or “anti-Baptist.”
BTW, there is no hoax. Septic tank story? Quite possibly.
But this?
The Bon Secours sisters provided death records of the 796 children to the Tuam registry office, but no burial records - where each of those 796 children was buried at - has been provided.
A death record is not a burial record. Why is it so hard to provide a location(s) for ALL 796 children and specifically where they are buried at?
Even the RCC says that they have no burial records.
Death records - cause of death - is one thing. Burial records are another.
And calls for “shunning”?
Might as well call for a book-burning here at FR.
Whatever. I’m not real concerned with your obsessions.
If not, and other babies/infants/children back then could and did have their location of burial recorded, then why not for ALL of the 796 children.
Remember, the Bon Secours sisters who ran St. Mary's Home provided death records. But a death record is not a burial record - a location for where each of those 796 children are buried at.
Why is it so hard for the RCC to just provide where each of those kids is buried?
Why do catholics get so upset at this being asked?
The RCC is a favorite target for atheists. Therefore, this must be a hit piece.
If the RCC and/or the Bon Secours sisters had provided burial records in addition to providing death records, then maybe they wouldn't be in this mess.
But that is what you and others do: the RCC doesn't provide burial records - location(s) for where each of the 796 are buried - are taken to task for it, and now it is suddenly the left vs. Catholics. Give us all a break.
That is the question that infuriates Catholics - many of them at least.
They don’t want to answer the simple question: where the heck are the 796 bodies at? PERIOD.
How is asking that anti-Catholic?
Death records - cause of death for the 796 - provided by the sisters, is not a burial record (not provided by the sisters) - a location of burial for the 796.
Broad brush stroke on your part.
There was a time when there was 60-70% church attendance rate in the U.S., and at the same time there was slavery, men could legally beat and rape their wives, men and women could legally beat their children and leave black and blue marks and bruises on their bodies, Indians were run off their lands and given rancid meat to eat. Slaves could be legally raped and/or beaten.
Shall I go on?
The simple fact is that there has never been a Godly generation that was the majority of society. Sure, there were pckets of Godliness, but never a generation that was anything close to Jesus and the 12 disciples around him. And what was experienced during the Apostolic Age was very limited in its scope and how many were affected.
You had better get with the program. First this was a left vs. right attempt. Then it was an anti-Catholic attempt. Now it is an attempt to judge past social mores with today's loose morality. I can't keep up with all of the conspiracy theories!
If the Nuns had diligence in recording deaths (death records for the 796) why the heck couldn't they be just as diligent in burial records? The Bon Secours nuns were the ones who did not let their bones rest in peace.
If there was money to erect churches then, and money for wine for priests, friars, monasteries, nuns, money to beautify churches, etc, there was money to bury those children individually.
That is what this is about: money for me, but not for thee (decent individual burial for each child on consecrated ground). There was a cemnemtery right across ther road for these 796 children. It was burial in secret at all costs. Period.
Even Archbishop Neury says there is no proof that any of these children was buried on consecrated ground. period.
I know about this story.
I read it.
What is at issue in THIS thread is whether or not the children - in addition to having detah records provided for each of them (which is the case) - had burial records of each of them recorded by the nuns. According to Corless, death records were kept by the nuns, but not burial records.
Why would the nuns do the former and not the latter?
The Bon Secours nuns who ran St. Mary’s Home then provided the former to the Tuam registry office - but did not provide the latter -— according to Catherine Corless.
The researcher didn’t start the kerfluffle. Not providing burial records for where each of the 796 children was buried was the starting of the kerfluffel. Place the blame where it belongs.
The RCC wasn’t broke then. No one claims they were. Money could have been allocated for a proper individual burial for each of the 796 children.
Forbes’ covers whether or not the nuns were or were not overwhelmed by this. That may be a valid point, but it isn’t valid that those 796 children just simply couldn’t be given an individual burial.
Secondly, nothing would haveoverwhelmed the nuns providing a burial record - location of burial - as they could provide death records to the Tuam registry office.
Just keep a record of the place and location of burial (burial record) after you take the death record to the Tuam registry. DUH.
The nuns obsession with keeping death records - but not burial records when they had to do this. They failed, though.
There, I corrected it.
No one asked you to post on here, so take your vicious personal attacks elsewhere. Your attitude is real Catholic all right.
How is it an ad hom to state 1.) that the nuns provided death records but 2.) did not prvide burial records and to ask 3.) why they did the former and not the latter. It is not disputed by anyone that 1 was done, but 2 was not done by the nuns.
What is sick personally attack anyone who keeps asking 1-3.
Would Jesus be offended by someone asking 1-3, like I do? No.
If not, why would he give communion to someone such as her?
Perhaps the RCC needs to do a better job of stating just who is and who isn't Catholic, then.
If there are this many who are pro-Obama, pro-leftists, then I guess the number of Catholics that the Vatican touts is a tad too high... Lol.
Liberals use these sort of ad homs when they can't and won't answer questions, like: why did the nuns provide death records but not burial records for the 796 children who dies at the Tuam home?
And where are all the 796 children specifically buried - which a burial record would show - which the nuns did not provide, according to Corless. That you won't ask such questions perhaps shows that you fall into the categories that you listed. You are really showing the love of Jesus, too. BTW, Jesus would have no problem I imagine with the asking of the aforementioned questions...
Straw Man argument.
You shift away fom the nuns not providing burial records to saying that “because the story doiesn’t say there were burial records, we might as well guess that there weren’t.”
The Bon Secours nuns (the ones who ran the place) provided death records to the Tuam registry office, but no proof has been given by the Bon Secours sisters as to burial records. None. Deal with that. Corless said that the nuns did not have the burial records.
Even Archbishop Neury siad that there is no proof of burial location for the 796 children.
How hard is it to right down where A.) each child is specifically buried (burial record) and then B.) go to the Tuam registry office and provide the death record specifically for each.
The nuns did B, but what about A? You know the answer...
What is wrong with asking for specifics on A?
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