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Why are police shooting so many family dogs?
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Posted on 07/07/2014 8:39:22 AM PDT by chessplayer

Cops take heartbreaking action 'every 98 minutes'

A rash of animal shootings by police officers nationwide has law-enforcement agencies running for cover amid growing public outrage that could force state legislatures to require greater accountability from men and women in uniform.

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To: FBD

So because there are a few bad apples, all cops are evil?


81 posted on 07/08/2014 3:41:17 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

Nobody where I live is screaming about bad cops. Don’t you think that if there was a problem with cops being some sort of evil occupying force (like what I heard from leftists during the sixties and seventies), many people, including many leading conservative pundits and spokesmen, would have noticed? Some of these anti-police screeds on this forum are bizarre. Which makes me believe there’s a hidden motive. And no, I’m not nor never have been a policeman.


82 posted on 07/08/2014 3:44:18 PM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: GraceG
Remember the "no hesitation" targets?

They're already shooting children, seniors, etc.

83 posted on 07/08/2014 10:03:50 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: chessplayer

Now how is he/she/it supposed to “report” you (see something, say something) if you don’t cooperate with his/her/its questions?


84 posted on 07/08/2014 10:12:29 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: driftless2; chessplayer

“Nobody where I live is screaming about bad cops.”

Demonstrably false.

Burlington, WI: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/robert-cirpinski-pharmacy/

Milwaukee, WI: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sutterfield-vs-milwaukee/

Milwaukee, WI: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sutterfield-vs-milwaukee/

Wisconsin: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/state-crime-labs-incentivized-get-false-convictions/

Milwaukee, WI: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/milwaukee-cavity-search-spree/

Kenosha, WI: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/fourteen-armed-agents-raided-animal-shelter-execute-captive-baby-deer/

How unfortunate that Wisconsin is so statist, in your view, Sir/Madam, that incidents such as these do not faze the locals.

But then, statists always justify criminal and tyrannical behavior, so your stance is woefully predictable.

May your chains rest lightly upon you.


85 posted on 07/08/2014 10:15:44 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: chessplayer

OOooh...now you’ve done it.

How dare you display a “less than helpful” attitude to government employees!

I am shocked.

Shocked.

Shocked.

< /Do I really need a sarc tag? >


86 posted on 07/08/2014 10:17:22 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Yeah, I’m sure am having problems with all these chains. My neighbors too. It’s really hard trying to drive my car shackled by the weight.


87 posted on 07/09/2014 4:11:20 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Altariel

Oh, and it’s interesting you’re using a publication called “police state usa” as a source. Don’t have an ulterior motive do you?


88 posted on 07/09/2014 4:13:59 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2
Nobody where I live is screaming about bad cops.

Post your zipcode and we'll investigate the facts. Dismissively referring to angry public reaction as "screaming" does not advance your argument.

Don’t you think that if there was a problem with cops being some sort of evil occupying force (like what I heard from leftists during the sixties and seventies), many people, including many leading conservative pundits and spokesmen, would have noticed?

American Civil Liberties Union

Huffington Post Salon

Wall Street Journal

New York Times

World Net Daily

The Atlantic

Forbes

I'm sure you've heard the expression, "Google is your friend". Use it.

Some of these anti-police screeds on this forum are bizarre.

So are many of the pro-jackboot posts. Your point?

Which makes me believe there’s a hidden motive.

Why would a motive be hidden? What sort of hidden motive do you suspect? From my standpoint, there is no need to hide the motive: preservation of American freedom from tyrants who murder, steal and lie under color of law.

And no, I’m not nor never have been a policeman.

One does not need to be a Nazi to be a good German. Hyperbole? Perhaps, but in the pursuit of making exactly that point.
89 posted on 07/09/2014 7:07:59 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: Robert Teesdale

I suspect you belong to some group that has an interest in chaos and eventual power for your own sake.


90 posted on 07/09/2014 8:05:51 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2
I suspect you belong to some group that has an interest in chaos and eventual power for your own sake.

How fascinating. What group would that be?
91 posted on 07/09/2014 8:10:20 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: driftless2
“So because there are a few bad apples, all cops are evil?”

When a State Trooper has to file a lawsuit to get other state troopers to stop harassing her and threatening her with violence, then I'd say there's more then a “few bad apples”.


Florida State Trooper Who Pulled Over Speeding Cop Sues 88 Officers in 25 Jurisdictions

http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/04/florida-state-trooper-who-pulled-over-sp

From the Sun Sentinel:
Trooper Donna “Jane” Watts’ 69-page lawsuit, filed in federal court Friday, seeks more than $1 million in damages. She is suing more than 100 police officers and agencies, and the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. The suit alleges 88 law enforcement officers from 25 jurisdictions illegally accessed her personal information more than 200 times, violating her privacy…

Other agencies have already settled with her and so are not named in the lawsuit, according to Watts’ attorney Mirta Desir. Margate, for example, settled for $10,000 after two of its police officers accessed her private information, said Margate city attorney Gene Steinfeld. The two Margate officers each received a letter of reprimand as punishment.

More details on the kinds of retaliations alleged, ranging from sending pizza deliveries to her house to making threatening phone calls, in the Sun Sentinel article.Video clips of the incident:

92 posted on 07/09/2014 8:36:44 AM PDT by FBD
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To: driftless2
But you never did answer the questions I asked you:

What kind of COWARD hits a mentally handicapped paraplegic in a wheelchair?
What kind of police officers ( there were FOUR police officers watching) stand by while one of their cohorts knocks over a mentally handicapped person in a wheelchair?
What kind of police department accepts this as “reasonable force”?

If you don't understand that these abusive actions against helpless people and animals is Sociopathic behavior, then it's possible that you're also a Sociopath, and completely lacking in human empathy...
In which case, my efforts at trying to get you to understand brutality under the Color of Authority is pointless, because you're *one of them*.

93 posted on 07/09/2014 8:54:52 AM PDT by FBD
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To: FBD
Nobody excuses bad police behavior. You're bringing up incidences of one bad cop. Obviously, there's going to be a certain pct. of bad people in any profession. If all cops are such thugs, why haven't I been reading or hearing about it in my area, western Wisconsin.

Don't you think if thuggish behavior by the police were widespread, we would be hearing about from many other conservative sources? Do you actually believe conservative talk radio and the internet would not report all this cases of thuggish behavior?

94 posted on 07/09/2014 9:12:58 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

You tell me. You’re trying to convince people on this forum that ALL! police are jackbooted thugs. Posting isolated cases of what might be legitimate bad behavior by some cops does not make your case. There are over 300 million people in the country and around 800,000 law enforcement people. How many of those do you think are jackbooted thugs?


95 posted on 07/09/2014 9:18:52 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2
You tell me. You’re trying to convince people on this forum that ALL! police are jackbooted thugs.

Certainly not. Many members of law enforcement do their jobs properly. However, in my view - and that view is widely shared by, I believe, a strong majority of Americans - the police are focusing on enforcement, not on law... and care nothing for civil rights, but rather proving power.

The term "Officer Friendly" is now an open joke. The acquisition of military grade vehicles and equipment is tantamount to an open, not merely practical, declaration of war on the People and the literal formation of a standing army annihilative of liberty.

Posting isolated cases of what might be legitimate bad behavior by some cops does not make your case. There are over 300 million people in the country and around 800,000 law enforcement people. How many of those do you think are jackbooted thugs?

Any that engage in violation of rights under color of authority or use force when so engaged.

Those that do, are defined as domestic enemies of the United States and ought, quite frankly, to be treated as such by armed citizens.

Like Indiana.


96 posted on 07/09/2014 9:45:30 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: driftless2
Maybe your past history could shed a little light on your less than helpful attitude towards understanding law enforcement people.

"Less than helpful attitude?"

WTF does that mean?

97 posted on 07/09/2014 9:48:31 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: driftless2
More fodder for you:
  • ~1,600% increase in military-style assaults

  • 92% of judges say police are liars

  • Sexual assault rate 2x as high as citizen population

  • >50% of law enforcement ignore criminal misconduct by police
Details on the above with linked sources
98 posted on 07/09/2014 9:56:22 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: woodbutcher1963
I think the problem starts with the dogs owner.

How is a dog owner responsible for the actions of a police officer? If the dog is rampaging and is the cause of the disturbance, then perhaps you may be right. But the majority - VAST majority - of these stories involves a dog who is in their own territory. That territory is invaded by the officer. The dog reacts in the way they are supposed to - by trying to protect their territory.

The officers should be subject to any and all available criminal charges whenever they shoot a pet that is not directly involved in the situation. If the officer crosses into the pet's territory, the officer should be liable unless the owner is given opportunity to handle the animal into a safer situation.

It matters not what the breed is - unless you are willing to condemn all for the actions of some. By that reasoning, there are certain ethnic groups that would be fair game amongst humans - and that is a decidedly unconservative stance that I am not willing to embrace. It is the same with canines.

99 posted on 07/09/2014 10:04:19 AM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: MortMan
I am sorry we will have to disagree regarding the choice of a canine. I have been a beagle breeder for 15 years. I can tell you there is a huge difference in breeds of dogs. Your choice absolutely matters. That choice potentially opens you up to lawsuits and potentially criminal action.

I absolutely agree with you regarding property rights. However, if you choose to own a dog that will attack someone if they enter your property, you are potentially exposing yourself to a liability case. Whether you agree with the merits of that potential action is not in debate. It is a fact that if you have a dog that will bite someone, you better have a large Umbrella Insurance policy. This is why some insurance companies do not want to write a homeowners insurance policy if you own a American Staffordshire Terrier(pit bull), a Doberman Pinscher, A German Sheppard Dog, A Rottweiler, and a few others. I agree that it is not right to condemn an entire breed because of a few, but that is exactly what insurance companies are doing. In fact most a the pit bulls that have caused problems do not come from AKC registered breeders. They are taught to be mean from a young age. The fact remains that pit bulls were originally bred to fight bulls. They are a fighting dog. FYI, my daughter owns a Doberman Pinscher. It is one of the most intelligent dogs I have ever been around. It is not aggressive at all. It also comes from one of the best breeders of Dobermans in the northeastern US.

100 posted on 07/09/2014 10:48:08 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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