Posted on 07/18/2014 7:27:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
While both the Ukrainian and Russian governments continue to point fingers at one another for the MH17 crash, former Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) urged caution Friday against jumping to any conclusions about where blame lies.
Some American pundits accuse Vladimir Putin of having “blood on his hands” since the missile that took down the Malaysia Airlines flight may have been a Russian weapon given to pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.
Speaking with Newsmax TV’s John Bachman earlier today, Paul said “Putin is a little bit smarter than that. I don’t think he would ever come close to participating in an act like this.”
“At the same time, there have been these new sanctions from the White House,” Bachman replied. “And there have been a lot of fingers pointed in Putin’s direction for not directly being involved but being complicit with the fact that some of these weapons — he might turn his back to it — but they’re Russian weapons.”
Paul’s response: “That may well be true, but guess what? ISIS has a lot of American weapons. We send weapons into Syria to help the rebels and if al Qaeda ends up getting it, it doesn’t mean our American government and Obama deliberately wanted ISIS to get American weapons.”
I think most military experts agree that this is a typical Russian invasion, it is a method of slow conquest that they use.
I don’t think the rebels had enough training to operate the missle launcher on their own. I believe the Russians were at the controls. I also do not believe they intentionally shot down the MH17 flight. I think they thought it was a Ukraine military plane. IMHO anyway you cut it Russia has innocent blood on their hands.
Just to be devil's U-know-what, as I love to do...
You must admit that Rand is way more savvy in communication than his burned out dad and knows to play populist.
That is how he tends to get polling numbers higher than most of the others while after accomplishing pretty much nuthin in his Senate career.
I still remember 2011 when he walked into Maddows trap and got it, but he obviously learned from that.
Count me in too.
Reportedly there was a recorded message indicating accidental downing of the passenger plane, a thesis which holds as much water as any other speculation circulating.
FOX seems invested in lynching Putin without an investigation or trial, to emphasize his guilt, only because they can use it to magnify Obama’s sure disengagement from the whole affair, his office and reality, but I have doubts this tragedy serves the interests of anyone, so I lean toward an accidental downing, while expecting a compromised debris field and investigation.
“First, a number of airlines were flying over the Ukraine at high altitude on the same day.”
Oh well, then they were ALL IDIOTS. Anti-aircraft missiles are not something to split hairs over...if a war zone is active you STAY CLEAR, regardless of what hardware you think might be there, because NO ONE CAN BE SURE.
Yes, the Russians are not angels, but again they WERE NOT the people that directed that plane to the combat zone, nor were they the airline, nor were they the pilots that figured that just because houses looked like specs they were safe.
“Don’t think many people are saying that Putin ordered the shoot down of a passenger jet.”
People are saying “all but”...as in the weapons came from Russia, the persons firing the system were Russians, and that persons firing reported to Russia.
So, yea, they blame Putin - and still ignore that the airplane flew over an ACTIVE COMBAT ZONE.
The rebels are in full alliance with Moscow. This is probably in preparation for a Russian invasion.
The Russians invaded Georgia on a pretext too, gobbled up part of the country. They never got a puppet government in Tbilisi though.
The Russians ARE the separatist movement, you can bet they answer directly to Moscow.
400 commercial aircraft flew through that region of Ukraine that day, including a Singapore airlines flight 15 minutes earlier. It was cleared by the international regulators. Malaysian Airlines wasn't some kind of outlier. It just drew the short straw. From the WSJ:
Before the crash, some 400 commercial flights, of which around 150 were international flights traveling between the east and west, crossed eastern Ukraine every day, according to Brian Flynn, a senior manager at Eurocontrol, a pan-European air-traffic control organization.
Heard this morning in a news report that one woman, whose brother/husband/close relation had perished with MH370, also had a step-son who perished on MH17.
Granted, I wonder how any family member would ever fly again on Malaysian Airlines, nor how any relative would buy such a ticket, but her husband probably considers it grounds for annulment at his point in time.
How many investigating bodies aren’t looking into their family history and involvement in possible risk assessments?
It’s queer the US has news events considering AIDS investigators perishing in the flight, but the more obvious questions are associating the deviated flight over an operational war zone with possible intel gathering potential.
Seeing how the ground forces confuse 8 of 12 black boxes from Comm rack systems, I doubt the flight was intel related, but then again, if we are able to trace and analyze cell phone data from that region, why wouldn’t international flights be tracked for imagery datum.
It would be interesting to trace the verification of airline maintenance workers in a world where insect robotics is considered decade old technology.
If the Russians were massing forces in the region, would there be increased pressure for both the flight to be deviated to that airspace and for air defense to remove the risk, and later for foncons between heads of state?
That’s what I said, they are conquering countries to rule over, it is what they do.
The Soviet Empire is over and Nazism is dead, there is no Soviet Union or Nazi Germany that needs “protection” from the free nations anymore.
To add to my previous post, this is why I think the whole chest-pounding, jumping to conclusions, hysteria is so dangerous. If Russia concludes that a political situation is off the table, they may very well conclude that their only option left is an outright invasion. They are very unlikely to just walk away, given the costs they would pay for an anti-Russian, unified Ukraine.
Putin has been irresponsibly arming the rebels . So yes he is indirectly responsible for what happened. Doesn't mean that he directly ordered or wanted a shoot down of a civilian air craft.
- and still ignore that the airplane flew over an ACTIVE COMBAT ZONE.
The "active combat zone" was not at 33k feet and there was no danger in flying over the area at that altitude until the rebels acquired Buk Missiles. Blame the flight plan all you want for not understanding the new danger, however the primary blame goes to the idiots who acquired Buk missiles, didn't give warning to civilian aircraft and then irresponsibly shot a Buk missile at a civilian airplane carry and killing almost 300 people.
We need some strong leadership, you guys and your fear of annoying that little KGB guy in Russia is getting out of hand.
The free world needs to quit cowering.
What about all the other flights?
But not ha-ha funny, the other kind.
You keep misreading my posts and I don’t know why, earlier you agreed with me that ISIS wasn’t invading the US when I had said nothing of the sort, now I said that Russia doesn’t need to be conquering these countries to serve as “buffers” or protection, and you misread that.
As far as what all this is about, it is conquering territory and building empire.
Personally I’m still with the free world and don’t understand you pro-Russia/anti-NATO/anti-free world people.
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