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IRS gives full account of lost Lerner emails
Politico ^ | July 18, 2014 | Rachael Bade

Posted on 07/19/2014 10:41:07 AM PDT by Innovative

The IRS declared under oath and penalty of perjury on Friday that Lois Lerner’s hard drive is irrecoverable after being wiped clean by tech staff and recycled with an outside contractor, according to a court filing.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: computers; computerservers; data; howtostealanelection; irs; israel; lerner; lostemails; obama; partisanwitchhunt; smidgen; teaparty; truethevote
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To: null and void

That “Voltaire” guy sounds like a smart fellow.


41 posted on 07/19/2014 11:10:54 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: knarf

asking a lot of a kid to pick up his room..

considering it’s connected to the house. that’s a lot of weight to lift!


42 posted on 07/19/2014 11:13:05 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: litehaus

I’m telling ya, they are going to the records of all those in the IT department trying to find a republican.. Once they do.

That poor guy is dead meat..


43 posted on 07/19/2014 11:15:54 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Innovative

When an individual is charged with a crime they are innocent until proven guilty. I assume this is partly because on one side you have a person and on the other you have the entire weight of government with its policing powers, infinite financial ability to prosecute, persecute, hound, jail, fine and so on. The balance of power is not balanced. THEREFORE, perhaps there should be a law which dictates that when the government is accused of wrongdoing against a citizen or citizens, the reverse is the case: GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT...and for the same reason. With their vast powers should come the burden of proving they did NOT break laws which harm citizens. They have the ability to prove their innocence, had they done their due diligence for which they are well-paid. It should be on them and if they can’t show their innocence because of missing documentation then it is assumed, or should be, that they have guilt. (Taking into account you can’t prove a negative and so on). Maybe I haven’t thought this through and I am thinking nonsensically, but at the moment it sounds right.


44 posted on 07/19/2014 11:19:51 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: Innovative

PST files can be stored on the local. If you lose your hard drive they can be lost. If it is important these files also will be backed up somewhere. Banks and other financial companies are required by FDIC to keep a record of all e-mails for many employees. HIPPA has laws the require the keeping medical records and some e-mails. Both these laws include criminal prosecution of those deliberately of negligently destroy e-mails records. This includes both the people the e-mails belong to and the IT personal that maintains the e-mail system.


45 posted on 07/19/2014 11:25:40 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (What is the differnce in spontinaity and ADD?)
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To: Innovative
If she was using a laptop she might have pulled the files to her hard drive, but it still doesn't relieve the agency's obligation to archive that kind of work.

The IT issues in government are massive. Look at Bradley Manning. Who would give a SPC 4 access to diplomatic traffic that has nothing to do with his/her job? Setting limits to access is one of the principals of IT security. I am getting ready to transfer and the IT loser in my office want to burn all my stuff to a CD. All my stuff is on a server and evidently he can't migrate it for me. Insane.

46 posted on 07/19/2014 11:30:15 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only way any of these crooks would ever go to jail is if the “people” sentenced them.


47 posted on 07/19/2014 11:31:57 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: freeandfreezing

The judicial authorities need to explore that level of the technology which the IRS uses.

The central point is that a hard drive is a piece of machinery and it is NOT — in itself — interesting. No one is REALLY interested in Lois Lerner’s hard drive. So, finding out the specific details of what happened to her hard drive is not (necessarily) a decent answer to the subpoena.

What is wanted is information about her EMAILS. Now, if the fact is that the emails only resided on that hard drive, then knowing the fate of the hard drive has relevance. But before we reach that conclusion, we do need to know the architecture of the email system.

A techie from the IRS needs to go under oath and explain how the IRS email works. A broad, technical explanation at the organizational level. That discussion isn’t about Lois Lerner, and it’s not about a specific hard drive which may or may not have been recycled on a specific date.

From the standpoint of the architecture of the IRS email system — WHERE do the emails reside?? Because the law says the IRS needs to keep them, and if their architecture really depends on emails being stored in a decentralized fashion on thousands of individual hard drives, then I would be AMAZED.


48 posted on 07/19/2014 11:34:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: USNBandit
I can see the underlying concept here. My email admin is always screaming at me to archive me emails, since I get a few thousand a month relating to operations. I archive them to a network drive but also have the option to archive to my local drive, which I don't do because that is not backed up. So Lerner COULD have been archiving older emails to her hard drive. However, she should have still had about six months worth on the server. Which is why, IMO, the IRS got rid of their email archival software and delayed coming forward - to give time for those emails to age off the server. And wiping a hard drive that you know has content that is under subpeona? The person who drove that decision should be dragged into jail for contempt - but probably will not be.

The House investigators HAVE to start putting heat on people so they will start turning on each other. Right now, they have no incentive because Holder sure as heck isn't going to prosecute.

49 posted on 07/19/2014 11:35:09 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: RIghtwardHo; Innovative
‘Why is the news media keep reporting it this way, ignoring the FACT that emails are NOT stored on people’s personal computers but on servers which are also backed up.”

Excellent point and beats the poop out of me. Of course, IRS emails may only be stored on the hard drives, they are insular, but your point is VERY well taken.

Gentlemen, this IRS offensive Lerner defense is targeted not toward us, who know something; it's targeted to those over there, toward the great mind-washed, who know nothing!

50 posted on 07/19/2014 11:39:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: relictele
so true!

51 posted on 07/19/2014 11:59:20 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Innovative

The only answer I can think of is that the Republicans don’t want to find Lerner’s e-mails.


52 posted on 07/19/2014 12:00:56 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: knarf
how about the state collects the taxes, cuts a percentage check to Sam and everybody just walks away

How about we pay the town, city, county where we live, who then cuts a fixed percentage check to the next entity above them. Town to county, city and county to state, state to Federal government. Keep the first control of funds closest to where those funds need to be used and where priorities can best be set for local needs.

53 posted on 07/19/2014 12:03:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Innovative

Taking the public for fools, as usual.


54 posted on 07/19/2014 12:13:51 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Innovative
What the IRS testified to was that

1) To the best of their knowledge the data on the hard drive could not be restored so the hard drive was degaussed and destroyed.

2) However since they don't track hard drives individually they really have no idea what happened to the hard drive.

On 1 the testified that the data hard drive “could not be restored” , which means they could reload data onto the hard drive, not that the hard drive was damaged to the point that existing data on the malfunctioning hard drive was not recoverable. This also implies that the hard drive was not severely damaged and was still functional enough such that the technician tried to reload the drive with data to restore it.

The use of the term “restore “ in attempts to reload Lerner's original disk is semantically significant because restore has a very specific meaning.

In the context of recovering from a hard drive crash, the term restore means returning the drive to it's original pre crash state with all of the backed up data reloaded from the back up archives.

This implies two different things.

First, archival back up data of some sort for Lerner's drive was in possession of the techs who tried to reload her “failed” hard drive but were unable to do so.

Second, it is reasonable to assume that the techs goal was to “repair” Lerner's non functional computer if it was in fact non functional. In that case the techs would have installed a new hard drive into Lerner's computer and then restore Lerner's backed up data onto the new hard drive to restore the drive (remember Lerner is a VERY high level IRS employee and the IRS is legally obligated to preserve her data). The paperwork implies that back up data required to restore the drive was in existence and should have been loaded to Lerner's new drive when they could not load the back ups onto her ‘failed” drive to restore it.

Rather than tracking her old hard drive, it would be a good idea to check the repair history of her computer and determine the current disposition of her computers. These days most people have mirror image data on their desk top commuter, their portable computer and their cell phone.

It is also strange that the focus of the documents in IRS possession is solely on the hard drive and not on the repair of her non functional computer.

Did she bring in the whole computer for repair, or just the hard drive? the documents imply she only brought in the bare hard drive to have it checked and not the whole computer.

If so, who removed the drive for her and why did she not simply bring in the whole computer.

Are we to believe that a 64 year old woman with a law degree, no technical training and who is “not good at math” tore apart her government IRS furnished computer, removed the hard drive and then hand delivered it to IRS IT Techs?

Or did she have the hard drive removed by some third party. If so, who did it?

Rather than tracking her old hard drive, it would be a good idea to check the repair history of her computer and determine the current disposition of her computers. These days most people have mirror image data on their desk top commuter, their portable computer and their cell phone.

It would also be really interest to know why absolutely no data was recoverable from her hard drive .

It is really all but impossible for a drive to fail and destroy the data on such that it cannot be recovered forensically. There are cases where people have destroyed their hard drives by beating them with a hammer to destroy the data and forensic techs have reassembled the fractured discs of the drive with super glue and read the data off of them.

About the only way that this could happen is if the drive was erased and over written 7 times or if the drive was degaussed to destroy the data on the disk .

The testimony provided by the IRS left a lot information out and a lot of terminology used is misleading.

55 posted on 07/19/2014 12:20:05 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Innovative; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

> Lois Lerner’s hard drive is irrecoverable after being wiped clean by tech staff and recycled with an outside contractor

What we need in Washington is a headsman block and an axe.


56 posted on 07/19/2014 12:22:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Innovative
Well, the perps have enshrined their lies under oath and in iron now.

Let's hope some investigative/computer geniuses can recover that which is purported to be irretrievably gone.

If this can be done, the perjurers will be thrown in gaol...and the Sherlockian snoops will deserve a medal.

If not, Professor Obenadict Moriarty wins another one.

Leni

57 posted on 07/19/2014 12:22:58 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Innovative

There’s no such person as the “IRS”.
However, whoever with the IRS made this sworn statement may be in trouble before too very long, along with Koskinen, Lerner and the other culpable partisan stooges Obama will toss under the bus.


58 posted on 07/19/2014 12:37:10 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Innovative

The backup server was on that last Asian plane that went down. Thanks a lot Vlad!


59 posted on 07/19/2014 12:40:03 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Innovative

How stupid are the congress men & women (and senators) if they fall for this. Does NO one have someone on staff that’s graduated from college in the last quarter of a century?


60 posted on 07/19/2014 12:42:08 PM PDT by PAR35
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