Posted on 08/05/2014 7:14:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
For later reference.
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Today’s philosophy is that there is no truth, or whatever is going on in your brain is the only reality. Not much going on in there is the problem.
There are many right here on FR who when you pin them don’t will tell you the Founding Fathers are guilty of the sin of rebellion and so this country was founded on a sinful act.
I always ask them if they have repented by giving up their U.S. citizenship and swearing their allegiance and returning themselves to the rule of the Court of St. James and the House of Winsor, yet it seems that none have and that they continue to live in sin.
As people of the Enlightenment, I would submit that this was less important to the Founders than liberty. They were well-aware of the blood that ran in the streets and battlefields of Europe secondary to the Reformation and Counter-Reformation (some of their ancestors left Europe because of this). They did not want those religious wars here and that is one reason why we have no state church and why they kept religion—though not God the Creator—out of our founding documents.
The answer however, is a good treatise to digest
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I reject the attempt to justify the American revolution from the scriptures.
Natural rights are God-given. Human nature as a rational being is God-created. A rational being has certain requirements in order to live the life proper to a rational being.One of those requirements is natural rights. The government exists for no other purpose than to secure, preserve, and protect those rights. Any government that violates natural rights, even if were legally established, contradicts God, and deserves to be rebelled against or overthrown in order to leave the individual free to pursue his own individual happiness and live a life proper to a rational being.
It has been my observation that many American Christians seem to identify their nation with the kingdom of God taught in the New Testament. The good ol’ US of A, however, is just that, a secular nation, not the kingdom of God.
The founders founded a secular nation, not a theocracy, not the kingdom of God. Neither were they devout Christians, as many seem to think, the main ones were Deists and Freemasons who believe there is a supreme being, but he is not the God of the Bible.
Using these Biblical passages from Romans, therefore, to try to make the Deist founders sinners is silly.
It’s blasphemous to suggest that Man is capable of creating a “Kingdom of God.”
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It was written in the context of the Roman Empire, which crushed rebels with crucifixion, slavery (sexual and otherwise), and genocide. Arguing for a right to rebel based on taxation is unscriptural.
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Great post.
That wasn’t the argument. You obviously didn’t read the piece.
Paul wrote Rom. 13 under the Roman rule. They were corrupt and brutal. Eventually they chopped off his head. And he still wrote to comply with government.
King George may have been crackers, but he wasn’t Nero.
Our nation began in rebellion, and rebellion is in our DNA. We may pragmatically say that much good came from the rebellion over the last 200 years, but we also sowed seeds which are now growing into bitter fruit.
You have read the Declaration of Independence for a start, and you DO realize that the Revolutionary War wasn’t merely about taxation?
The thing to remember is that people and political systems are not static. Remember the Roman Republic lasted for centuries and was the source of the stanchion that led Roman Armies, SPQR ( Senātus Populus que Rōmānus "The Senate and People of Rome"), which indicated the primacy of the Senate as the power of Rome.
Of course Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar kept the facade of the Senate being superior and that remained true through to almost the end of the united Roman Empire. Hmmm, sound familiar?
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I would accept this IF you use the term 'Liberal' in its classic sense and definition; a political philosophy and ideology in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The transmogrification of the word 'liberal' is one of the great word crimes of the 1900s!
To illustrate; It would be niggardly of me if I were to gayly accept current liberal values as being protective of individual rights!
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