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Was the American Revolution sinful?
World Magazine ^ | 8/2/14 | Rod D Martin

Posted on 08/05/2014 7:14:54 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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To: SoFloFreeper

For later reference.


21 posted on 08/05/2014 7:37:51 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Pharmboy

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22 posted on 08/05/2014 7:38:11 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: knarf

Today’s philosophy is that there is no truth, or whatever is going on in your brain is the only reality. Not much going on in there is the problem.


23 posted on 08/05/2014 7:56:45 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: miss marmelstein

There are many right here on FR who when you pin them don’t will tell you the Founding Fathers are guilty of the sin of rebellion and so this country was founded on a sinful act.

I always ask them if they have repented by giving up their U.S. citizenship and swearing their allegiance and returning themselves to the rule of the Court of St. James and the House of Winsor, yet it seems that none have and that they continue to live in sin.


24 posted on 08/05/2014 8:01:14 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: thefactor

As people of the Enlightenment, I would submit that this was less important to the Founders than liberty. They were well-aware of the blood that ran in the streets and battlefields of Europe secondary to the Reformation and Counter-Reformation (some of their ancestors left Europe because of this). They did not want those religious wars here and that is one reason why we have no state church and why they kept religion—though not God the Creator—out of our founding documents.


25 posted on 08/05/2014 8:06:51 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Iron Munro

The answer however, is a good treatise to digest


26 posted on 08/05/2014 8:18:31 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
That concept was just now drilled into me ... damn ... I'm such a late bloomer.

Please do not pick, but water and fertilize ..

thank you

27 posted on 08/05/2014 8:20:52 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I reject the attempt to justify the American revolution from the scriptures.


28 posted on 08/05/2014 8:26:09 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Romans 13 (which counsels dutiful subordination to legally established authorities)

Natural rights are God-given. Human nature as a rational being is God-created. A rational being has certain requirements in order to live the life proper to a rational being.One of those requirements is natural rights. The government exists for no other purpose than to secure, preserve, and protect those rights. Any government that violates natural rights, even if were legally established, contradicts God, and deserves to be rebelled against or overthrown in order to leave the individual free to pursue his own individual happiness and live a life proper to a rational being.

29 posted on 08/05/2014 8:26:49 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Pharmboy

It has been my observation that many American Christians seem to identify their nation with the kingdom of God taught in the New Testament. The good ol’ US of A, however, is just that, a secular nation, not the kingdom of God.

The founders founded a secular nation, not a theocracy, not the kingdom of God. Neither were they devout Christians, as many seem to think, the main ones were Deists and Freemasons who believe there is a supreme being, but he is not the God of the Bible.

Using these Biblical passages from Romans, therefore, to try to make the Deist founders sinners is silly.


30 posted on 08/05/2014 8:34:57 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

It’s blasphemous to suggest that Man is capable of creating a “Kingdom of God.”


31 posted on 08/05/2014 8:35:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MrB
Romans 13 is written in the context of legitimate government, specifically one that rewards the righteous and punishes the wicked.

No

It was written in the context of the Roman Empire, which crushed rebels with crucifixion, slavery (sexual and otherwise), and genocide. Arguing for a right to rebel based on taxation is unscriptural.

32 posted on 08/05/2014 8:35:57 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: SoFloFreeper

New tagline alert!


33 posted on 08/05/2014 8:36:18 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("LEX REX." ("The law is the king.") -- Samuel Rutherford)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Great post.


34 posted on 08/05/2014 8:43:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: af_vet_1981

That wasn’t the argument. You obviously didn’t read the piece.


35 posted on 08/05/2014 8:45:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Paul wrote Rom. 13 under the Roman rule. They were corrupt and brutal. Eventually they chopped off his head. And he still wrote to comply with government.

King George may have been crackers, but he wasn’t Nero.

Our nation began in rebellion, and rebellion is in our DNA. We may pragmatically say that much good came from the rebellion over the last 200 years, but we also sowed seeds which are now growing into bitter fruit.


36 posted on 08/05/2014 8:53:04 AM PDT by lurk
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To: af_vet_1981

You have read the Declaration of Independence for a start, and you DO realize that the Revolutionary War wasn’t merely about taxation?


37 posted on 08/05/2014 9:13:32 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: SoFloFreeper
Again, I will leave a proper discussion of Roman citizenship, and of Roman rule ...

The thing to remember is that people and political systems are not static. Remember the Roman Republic lasted for centuries and was the source of the stanchion that led Roman Armies, SPQR ( Senātus Populus que Rōmānus "The Senate and People of Rome"), which indicated the primacy of the Senate as the power of Rome.

Of course Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar kept the facade of the Senate being superior and that remained true through to almost the end of the united Roman Empire. Hmmm, sound familiar?

38 posted on 08/05/2014 9:15:54 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

bump for later


39 posted on 08/05/2014 9:24:52 AM PDT by gattaca ("To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven." - Ecclesiastes 3:1 (NKJ))
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To: Romulus
Anglo America is liberal in its DNA ...

I would accept this IF you use the term 'Liberal' in its classic sense and definition; a political philosophy and ideology in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The transmogrification of the word 'liberal' is one of the great word crimes of the 1900s!

To illustrate; It would be niggardly of me if I were to gayly accept current liberal values as being protective of individual rights!

40 posted on 08/05/2014 9:35:50 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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