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Convicting Darren Wilson Will Be Basically Impossible: You can thank Missouri law for that
The New Republic ^ | August 20, 2014 | Yishai Schwartz

Posted on 08/20/2014 10:18:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 08/20/2014 10:18:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Well, there’s also those stubborn facts.

Robbed store violently. Punched cop in face and tried to steal gun. Charged at come when told to freeze and after being shot with non-lethal force.


2 posted on 08/20/2014 10:21:59 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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>> “We may never know what actually happened...”

Yet, emphatic about seeking a conviction against the LEO.


3 posted on 08/20/2014 10:24:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, the SC over ruled state laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule#U.S._Law


4 posted on 08/20/2014 10:24:35 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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In general, we presume innocence. But when we know that a killing has occurred and can definitively identify who committed the act, our presumptions are supposed to shift. Now we are supposed to presume guilt, and it is the shooter who must prove that his actions were justified

What a load of horse stuff. You never presume guilt until evidence proves guilt.

5 posted on 08/20/2014 10:24:41 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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“Extensive research shows that Americans are far more likely to believe that African Americans—and especially young black men—have committed crimes and display violent behavior. “

Earth to author; that is because blacks, and especially young black men, are many times more likely to commit violent crimes than other groups. Just look at the official FBI crime statistics for proof.


6 posted on 08/20/2014 10:26:07 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Michael Brown already got justice.

The blame rests on the left-wing welfare state and the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons that couldn’t care less about their own people, but place a “Rev” label in front of their name to milk money off contrived situations to enrich themselves.

They should be in Chicago teaching responsibility and morality.

Left wing black leaders are nothing but slaves to white liberals.


7 posted on 08/20/2014 10:27:43 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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The fact that officer Wilson will need to have his eye socket surgically reconstructed should “inject the issue of justification” . The author is a snarky little jerk and a liberal. but I repeat myself.

CC


8 posted on 08/20/2014 10:32:13 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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“What a load of horse stuff. You never presume guilt until evidence proves guilt.”

You are 100% correct I took issue with the statement in the article too. Knowing that a killing has occurred and knowing who the shooter is does nothing to the presumption of innocence and it remains the prosecutions burden to prove that the act was not in self defense if that is that stated reason for the shooting!

Mel


9 posted on 08/20/2014 10:36:19 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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“We may never know what actually happened during the violent encounter between teenager Michael Brown and policeman Darren Wilson.”

So we’ll make up a story anyway to serve our race-baiting narrative.


10 posted on 08/20/2014 10:37:22 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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Yeah, well besides the fact that he did nothing wrong and this is all manufactured outrage....


11 posted on 08/20/2014 10:38:17 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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" In general, we presume innocence. But when we know that a killing has occurred and can definitively identify who committed the act, our presumptions are supposed to shift. Now we are supposed to presume guilt, and it is the shooter who must prove that his actions were justified. Unless the shooter is a policeman. And unless the victim is a black male. And unless the shooting happens in Missouri.

No, dipstick, we are supposed to find out the facts, and then apply the law. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty should not waver, even in the face of crowds who anxiously await the opportunity to loot, pillage, and burn.

Nothing about this case justifies the wholesale lawlessness on the part of the people who have been rioting and looting: there is no Right, presumed nor codified, to steal and destroy the property of innocent others in the petition for redress of grievances.

13 posted on 08/20/2014 10:49:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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He wasn’t “fleeing” he was charging the sergeant, from what we’re hearing, so that might not apply here.


14 posted on 08/20/2014 10:49:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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I think Michael Brown already got justice.

Yup

16 posted on 08/20/2014 10:51:51 PM PDT by gasport (President Omoeba needs to evolve a spine)
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To: bobo1

I’ve often wondered about Reverend Jackson and Reverend Sharpton. Did they go to divinity school? Are they ordained ministers in any known religious denomination? Where are their churches?


17 posted on 08/20/2014 10:52:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It applies to showing that the article is completely wrong about the law, which is what I was doing. :-)

BTW, the NYT article has a law enforcement source saying that Wilson fired at Brown as he fled, but missed.

Whether it’s an accurate representation of what was said, well...it’s the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?_r=0

“As Officer Wilson got out of his car, the men were running away. The officer fired his weapon but did not hit anyone, according to law enforcement officials.”


18 posted on 08/20/2014 10:55:59 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yo, Yishai Schwartz: why even talk about convicting someone when they haven't even been charged? Geez.
19 posted on 08/20/2014 10:59:55 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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You never presume guilt until evidence proves guilt.

What are you talking about, prole? This is Obama's America now. If you're white, you're guilty until proven innocent.

20 posted on 08/20/2014 11:00:39 PM PDT by wastedyears (Aldnoah.Zero - Best new anime of 2014.)
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