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Fungal Parasitism Marked by Gene Loss, Not Gain
Institute for Creation Research ^ | 9-5-14 | Jeffrey Tomkins PhD

Posted on 09/09/2014 9:06:37 AM PDT by fishtank

Fungal Parasitism Marked by Gene Loss, Not Gain

by Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D. *

Certain types of fungi can be parasitic to both plants and animals. Two new studies show that this has developed, in part, by a loss of genetic information—not a gain as predicted by evolution.1,2

In the creationist model of origins, the world was not fraught with death, disease, and violence until after Adam and Eve’s rebellion. The whole of creation was then subjected to a negative turn of events, including the emergence of fungal pathogens that cause death and disease in plants and animals.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: baloney; creation; fungus
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1 posted on 09/09/2014 9:06:37 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

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2 posted on 09/09/2014 9:12:03 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: fishtank

Thermodynamics and entropy — randomness causes loss over time. One should not expect random events to increase order and complexity.


3 posted on 09/09/2014 9:12:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: fishtank
Parasites beciome simpler as they no longer need the tools god gave them...

Welcome to costco, I love you..


4 posted on 09/09/2014 9:26:22 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: fishtank
In the creationist model of origins, the world was not fraught with death, disease, and violence until after Adam and Eve’s rebellion. The whole of creation was then subjected to a negative turn of events, including the emergence of fungal pathogens that cause death and disease in plants and animals.

So God created the lion with sharp teeth to...do what exactly? Why the horns of the rhinoceros? The spines of the porcupine? The claws of the bear?

5 posted on 09/09/2014 9:27:39 AM PDT by Claud
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To: fishtank
the emergence of fungal pathogens

Where did they emerge from?

6 posted on 09/09/2014 9:32:30 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: ClearCase_guy
"...Thermodynamics and entropy — randomness causes loss over time. One should not expect random events to increase order and complexity..."

Observed over an ENTIRE system, you just can't beat the law of thermodynamics. However, the EARTH is not the entire system. Life in all its complex forms depends largely on the Sun, which is busy converting HUGE amounts of Hydrogen matter into essentially wasted energy, contributing to the over all entropy of the Universe.

The EARTH, on the other hand, looks like a little pocket of non conformity, because the systems here on the planet are bathed in the waste energy of the Sun. This energy looks like "something for nothing" if you only consider the Earth.

So, the basis for increasing energy content and complexity here on Earth is the fact we get gobs of waste energy from the Sun. One day, the Sun will run out of fuel, and the party will be over.

However, in the meantime, random reactions and chemical compounds CAN be driven "up" the scale of complexity, at the cost of tons and tons of Hydrogen mass being converted 93 million miles away.
7 posted on 09/09/2014 9:33:29 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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Yeah its a closed system, See the Big Bang.


8 posted on 09/09/2014 10:09:28 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Claud

So you know this to be true then huh? No way for anyone to be sure since we were not there. Is it possible that many if not all the life forms were changed with the first sin?


9 posted on 09/09/2014 11:10:27 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: fishtank

More deception from the Institute for Creative Representation. Show me where “evolution predicted” that fungal parasites would gain genetic information.


10 posted on 09/09/2014 11:24:23 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: fishtank

Roger that. Evolutionists must believe in spontaneous generation, that lifeless chemicals thrown together create themselves into life. That’s something Pasteur refuted about 100 years ago. Even the most “simple” stupendously complex cell couldn’t have created itself. That’s laughable. Forming even 1 usable protein via random processes has been likened to a solar system full of blind men all simultaneously solving the Rubik’s Cube. Yet they must believe, calling God a liar in the process.


11 posted on 09/09/2014 11:30:14 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Oh please ~ it’s painfully obvious that your precious theory depends upon all life forms gaining genetic information by mere random chances/changes. Your precious theory is falling apart as you continue to whine ‘it’s not fair’ and stomp your feet. Do some math for starters.


12 posted on 09/09/2014 11:40:12 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: afsnco

If only my faith was as strong as these evolutionists. I am working on it.


13 posted on 09/09/2014 12:45:02 PM PDT by st.eqed
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To: fishtank

Crank tank


14 posted on 09/09/2014 12:48:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: BrandtMichaels

Sure it’s possible that life forms were changed by the Fall.

But is there any indication that’s what actually happened?

Augustine addressed this in the 4th century. I’ll see if I can dig up his opinion on this.


15 posted on 09/09/2014 1:04:49 PM PDT by Claud
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To: BrandtMichaels

My “precious theory” does not depend on life forms gaining genetic information in all circumstances. It certainly doesn’t have a problem with a parasite relying on its hosts for some functions and therefore losing its own genes that governed those functions before.

Here’s the thing: I understand that you and ICR don’t accept the theory of evolution. What I don’t understand is why ICR consistently lies about what the theory says and what new scientific discoveries mean, and why people like you defend its lies. They want to assert that the loss of genetic info in one or two cases proves something about universal genetic entropy since the Fall? Fine, make that argument. They don’t need to add the false claim that the ToE doesn’t allow for the loss of genes.


16 posted on 09/09/2014 1:16:17 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Claud

Every dog and cat I know eats grass. If I were as smart as the creator, knowing there was going to be a time that they needed those teeth and horns, why not prepare them? They won’t need them again once the Messiah returns to rule, so if you survive the tribulation you will get to see. Also, I think when He does rule again and earth is again at peace, lions and lambs, people will live to be 800 years old? I’m going to plant a Sequoia and take a picture of it once a month. The future is my place of peace. Every renaissance of man has been a dark age.


17 posted on 09/09/2014 1:42:10 PM PDT by huldah1776
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Every dog and cat I know eats grass

Eat it sure. Can they survive on it? Cats have to turn their heads to eat grass because they don't have flat incisors like horses or cows. Their canines get in the way. They don't have flat molars either, so grinding grass up is extremely difficult. Every time my cat puked up grass the blades were practically whole. All not good for an ostensible herbivore.

Find me the skeleton of a cat with a ruminant's dentition and you'll convince me. Otherwise, that's a mighty transformation to pack into the Fall. I think it's just easier to limit the effect of the Fall to human death rather than animal death.

18 posted on 09/09/2014 6:09:47 PM PDT by Claud
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Well, He’s got a plan. Could be veggies. Our old english shepherd loved eating the green beans off the vine, too. They like pears. I don’t know, yet. It’s fun to think about though. I wonder if fish are included.


19 posted on 09/09/2014 7:15:36 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Claud; huldah1776

I’m sure it would be mere child’s play for the One True God who wrote the billions upon billions of lines of DNA code to re-write it once again [or once before?] or even just do a reset to the initial good or perfect conditions He declared on the 7th day of creation.

Who are we, mere puny humans, to argue with the Almighty God or declare anything impossible/improbable?!?!


20 posted on 09/10/2014 6:01:11 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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