Posted on 09/11/2014 7:25:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
OK I guess I know where you stand then.
About 1.6 BILLION people you would have slaughered.
I don’t think there is much funny about that.
I’m no fan of Islam but I don’t have the stomach for slaughtering on that level. I’ll have to leave that to others I guess.
Yes you will, because they will have no problem what so ever killing you and the rest of the world. You don't believe that because you have no idea what Islam demands of its members.
The scale will be massive, but just like the Nazi’s and others like them throughout history there is little choice.
The reality is about 1/3 of Muslims are fundamentalists, the other 2/3 probably would leave the relgion on the ash heap of history without much effort if they weren’t afraid they would have their heads cut off by the other 1/3 for it.
So yes, it is not going to be pretty, humanity is going to have to march through hell collectively to put this rabid dog down, but until it is willing to be honest and do it, this insanity will continue.
You cannot “moderate” Islam, there is nothing moderate about it... it cannot be saved from itself, the only options are destroy it, or continue to have it try to destroy everything else.
Playing nice with it will never work, no more than Chamberlains appeasement to Hitler prevented WWII.
How do you know the 2/3 would leave Islam if you kill 1/3? (Not to mention how do you know you are killing the precise right members of the 1/3?)
You would have to kill all 1.6 billion .... and even then the religion might attract others later to join if there is any trace left of it in history.
The idea does not seem practical. Even in WWII we did not kill every single German (and too, there are Nazis even today).
And how do you propose to kill 1.6 BILLION people?
How will you know you got every one of them?
You don’t need to kill every muslim... Just like the Allies did not need to kill every member of the Nazi party. You do however have to destroy it. To do that you destroy the fundamentalists... they are not hard to identify. Will others be killed as well? Of course, war always kills more than the combatants.
The Nazi’s of today are a joke and have nothing to do with the Nazi party, they simply cling to the name. The NAZI party was the national socialist party of Germany, that’s what it was. It is not the skin head buffoons who run around screaming white power. There is no functional Nazi Party left on the planet, it was destroyed.
But new fundamentalists will arise. How will you kill them all?
And how are they easy to identify. People here are saying there are no moderate Muslims, no moderate Islam. If that is true you have to kill every single one in order to “eradicate” it.
Because the non fundamentalists are not the threat, they can and will walk away from the religion of their own accord.
What folks forget is that fundamentalist Islam was on the ropes in the 50s and early 60s most of the Muslim world where these Fundamentalist reside were modernizing and connecting with the modern world.
However instead of being dealt with, they were appeased, wealthy oil families paid them off, and they used that money to infiltrate and slowly and methodically take over and subjugate the masses.
You won’t have to kill every single person who claims to be Muslim, most will walk away from the religion when they no longer have to worry about being beheaded for it.
IF and when a new little group pops up, you simply deal with it... Had the world dealt with the Wahabbists properly in the 50s Fundamentalist Islam would have been effectively whiped out, sadly instead of dealing with the cancer it was allowed to fester.
Now its to the point where it will take a large, concerted and world wide effort to deal with, it won’t be pretty, but if you want to defeat Fundamentalist Islam you have no choice.
But that is not what most are saying here. They are saying that there is no such thing a moderate (or non-fundamentalist) Islam and that the entire religion needs to be eradicated.
I'm making several points:
1. How would you accomplish this?
2. How would you know you have accomplished this? (As an example I pointed out that there are still Nazis, we did not totally eradicate Nazism)?
3 How far would you go in an attempt to eradicate all Islam (which is what is being proposed here)?
These are practical (as well as moral) considerations.
You really work hard at being dense.
You do not have to kill everyone, you just have to make the consequence for them unacceptable.
I am not sure that is any more possible than getting Bob Beckel to vote republican, but those are the choices.
We could of course accept your suicide option, and march into the arena and poke the lions so he will eat us quicker.
You cannot kill an idea.
We think that our ideals of democracy, morals, and liberty are unbeatable. We think that no matter how far we may be beaten down that we would fight on.
We’ve been fighting for these values since 1775.
They have been fighting for theirs sine 646.
Fighting ideas is dangerous business.
I’m asking practical questions of how this will be accomplished.
You don’t seem to want to answer
I don’t care what others are saying let them justify their stands.
What is your stand?
How would you propose to you achieve your goals?
By the way, you interjected yourself into a conversation I was having with Biggirl who seemed to be advocating mass genocide on an epic scale.
You seemed to agree when you said “I am for doing what ever is necessary to save modern man from Islam”
I do agree you do what is necessary to save mankind from Islam, its the same task that has been needed and used since Islam was founded.
I have stated my position, your attempt to get me to justify others is pointless, they can defend their own.
You cut off the head, and yes, that means that you are talking war on a massive scale, you are talking the sort of death and ugliness that has not existed before in human experience because sadly the powers that be let the cancer metastasize.
However, I do not believe you will need to kill every person who purports to be a muslim, just like the west did not need to kill every person who was ever a member of the Nazi party.
You will however have to put down the 1/3 of those who identify as muslim who are fundamentalist. The Wahabbists and their devotees. THey have in the course of 4-5 decades infiltrated into every aspect of many cultures and have raised now at least 2 generations of indoctrinated cultists who are just as fanatical as any group out there.
They cannot be saved, their madrasas must be burned to the ground, the mosques they use to espouse their hatred must be equally destroyed etc etc etc. This group has grown to the size it is because they have been unchallenged and done this indoctrination etc etc.. Once you cut off the head, and this thing has a huge head, the body will wither.
And when some idiot decides to start espousing the fundamentalish shit in some po dunk back water 1 ass village in the middle of nowhere again years later, you put him down without hesitation.
The world can get past this, but until it is willing to confront it directly and deal with it it will not. To rid the world of these people though is a huge undertaking, and it will not be pretty, and many many many innocent people will die... however it truly is the only option, the old model of just let them do whatever because they are no threat outside their backwood fiefdom is no longer accurate. Its long past time they were dealt with... and since they were not dealt with when they could have been the mess will be that much bigger to deal with today.
Reality is the west has become so insanely corrupted by “multi culturalism” horse crap that they are flat out refusing to recognize the enemy for what it is.
“You will however have to put down the 1/3 of those who identify as muslim who are fundamentalist. “
OK, how will this be accomplished? Practically speaking.
One third of 1.6 Billion is approximately 533 million people. How do you suggest we ferret them out and kill this many people? How do you find the correct 533 million to “put down”? How do you know this action won’t radicalize the other 2/3’s you claim will just give in?
Thank you for that bit of sanity.
You don't seem to want an answer, you just want to lay back and take it. Are you also a college dorm rape counselor?
War is hell and you either win it or you surely will lose it, period. You just don't seem to know we are in a war and have been for a very long time, it is just that the people we are in a war with are now getting enough power together that we have to pay attention.
Ask yourself what would happen if any of the current minor belligerents were to steam a small ship along our coast and launch one of those missiles that we keep claiming are no danger to us, and launched an EMP?
Just do a little research on what experts say would be the result for us. Most will tell you that likely 90% of the US population would be dead within two weeks. You may not be willing to kill millions of people, but our enemy certainly is.
Living like Israel, with enemies lobbing thousands of missiles a year down on them is just Stupid, not something I desire for my family or yours.
I guess you don't remember Hirohito. Millions of Japanese would have fought to the death for their Emperor god, do you think they would today?
Remember the Alamo, or Remember Goliad were ideas that died along with segregation now and forever.
Another option is just kill everyone with that idea, which is what the Muslims wish to do to all infidels.
A few guys with box cutters brought down buildings and killed thousands.
Give me a workable plan.
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