Posted on 09/24/2014 10:08:04 PM PDT by Abakumov
What if Iraq is not a country of people with common cultures and interests and generally accepted borders, but rather an amalgam of warring groups cobbled together by British and American diplomats? What if only a strongman like Hussein — however evil and ill suited for government by Western standards — can keep peace and stability in an artificial country like Iraq?
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Problem is there’s only one solution and we’re not going to do it. We’d have to kill about 439859348 people over there.
Please deluge me with more liberal media links, by all means. It certainly puts their defense of open Nazis out there.
“The genetic fallacy, also known as fallacy of origins, fallacy of virtue, is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on something’s origin.”
Liberals do that all the time if someone on the right is cited as a source of information. If you don’t want to spend the time on the information in the articles, fine, but dismissing them because of their source is no more legitimate than when lefties do it. These aren’t fringe sources.
You’re expecting truth from the left? Seriously? Genetic fallacy does not apply when the sources are known liars.
Defense of Nazis to provoke a Godwinism?
I’ll be posting some excerpts from the 2008 Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents Volume 1.
http://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/v1.pdf
This volume was released by the Bush administration and it’s the one that a lot of you think proves Saddam’s connection to terrorism.
Of course like a lot of sources it never gets read.
What it does show is that Saddam used terror against other Iraqis that he felt were a threat. It’s never been in dispute that Saddam was cruel to his own people. It also makes the point that Saddam was motivated by revolutionary nationalism and not Islam.
Feel free to wade through the original document on your own and see if you can find evidence of Saddam using terror against anyone other than Iraqis.
It’s taking me time to copy excerpts because this is a pdf document and it’s time consuming to get it ready to post here.
http://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/v1.pdf
Iraqi Perspectives Project
Page ES-1
“This study found no “smoking gun” (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam’s Iraq and al Qaeda.”
“The predominant targets of Iraqi state terror operations were Iraqi citizens, both inside and outside of Iraq”
Page 1
“Under Saddam, the Iraqi regime used its paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam training camps to train terrorists for use inside and outside Iraq...While this document suggests that the targets for this operation were most likely Iraqi exiles, it remains unclear to this day if any parts of this specific plan were ever executed.”
Page 3
“Two other documents present evidence of logistical preparation for terrorist operations in other nations, including those in the West. It is not clear from these documents if these weapons were being staged for a specific purpose or stockpiled for future contingencies”
Page 4
“The documents themselves do not specify the purpose of this
weapons cache, only its existence.”
Page 6
“A similar example is found in the documentation of a June 2001 operation carried out by the lIS against the Iranian-supported Iraqi dissident group, the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution (al-Da’wah Party). The target of this operation was not identified by name, but the target location was identified as a lecture hall in Qum, Iran”
Page 17
“The last sentence (in italics referring to the agreement with Islamist terrorists) deserves special attention: it refers to a top-secret order for Saddam’s intelligence services to maintain contact with any movement in Arab countries. While it is not surprising that Saddam, one of the last of the Middle East’s revolutionary nationalists, would endeavor to support revolutionary groups, it is important to recognize that many of these nationalist groups changed in the late 1990s. Saddam viewed these groups through the eyes of a pan-Arab revolutionary, while the leaders of the growing Islamist movements viewed them as potential affiliates for their Jihad.”
Federation of American Scientists now? Communists?
Have a nice day.
Page 17
A much longer document from 1993 41 illuminates how the outwardly secular Saddam regime found common cause with terrorist groups who drew their inspiration from radical Islam. One could argue that keeping some of these extremist groups active outside of Iraq was a pragmatic defensive measure against them. Nevertheless, the Iraqi document reports on contact with a large number of terrorist groups in the region, including those that maintained an office or liaison in Iraq. The document goes into great depth about Iraq’s links to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and includes a memorandum, dated 8 February 1993, asking that movement to
refrain from moving against the Egyptian government at that time.
Page 21
“Saddam viewed international terrorist organizations in terms of what they could do to further his “historic” mission. During the course of the 1990s, bin Laden came to see Islamic terrorist groups as part of a jihad that would one day topple all apostate governments, unite all Muslims, and finally restore the caliphate. Saddam had his own slightly less grand vision, namely, a Ba’athist pan-Arab socialist super-state with Iraq at its center. Whether attempting to overthrow the Egyptian government or the Kuwait royal family, the vision was always about the centrality of Saddam and his pan-Arab vision-and never about
the glory of Islam or some modern-day caliphate.
“Federation of American Scientists now? Communists?”
You really are a piece of work.
The report is a copy of the official report of the Iraqi Perspectives Project that the Bush administration released in 2008.
It has nothing to do with the Federation of American Scientists other than apparently they have it on their server. If you can find it at another site it will read exactly the same. I simply googled the title of the report because I needed a full copy to work from and I wasn’t worried about what site was hosting it. Grow up.
“The Bush Administration was quite liberal itself.”
You’re preaching to the choir there. I knew Dubya was a Republican liberal as early as 1994 when as Texas governor he stuck his nose in California’s Prop 187 debate and he took the side of illegal aliens.
“You cite communist websites to defend Nazis”
I have no idea what this bit of lunacy is that you have been repeating so you’ll have to explain what it is supposed to mean. What is the communist website and who are the Nazis?
As for the FAS I have no idea why FAS chooses to host the Bush study. It just happened to be the first link in line when I was looking for a full copy of the IPP report. I don’t know why you think where it is located is significant. If they decide to host a full copy of the Bible are you then going to decide the Bible is tainted as well?
Did you look at the dates?
As of 21 June 2007, the UNHCR estimated that 2.2 million Iraqis had been displaced to neighbouring countries with a large majority of them Christians, and 2 million were displaced internally, with nearly 100,000 Iraqis fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month.[11][12] A 25 May 2007 article notes that in the past seven months only 69 people from Iraq were granted refugee status in the United States.[13]After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, violence against Christians rose, with reports of abduction, torture, bombings, and killings.[14] Some Christians were pressured to convert to Islam under threat of death or expulsion, and women were ordered to wear Islamic dress.[14]
In August 2004, International Christian Concern protested an attack by Islamists on Iraqi Christian churches that killed 11 people.[15] In 2006, an Orthodox Christian priest, Boulos Iskander, was beheaded and mutilated despite payment of a ransom, and in 2008, the Assyrian clergyman Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho of the Chaldean Catholic church in Mosul died after being abducted.[14] In January 2008, bombs exploded outside nine churches.[14]
In 2007, Chaldean Catholic priest Fr. Ragheed Aziz Ganni and subdeacons Basman Yousef Daud, Wahid Hanna Isho, and Gassan Isam Bidawed were killed in the ancient city of Mosul.[16] Ganni was driving with his three deacons when they were stopped and demanded to convert to Islam, when they refused they were shot.[16] Ganni was the pastor of the Chaldean Church of the Holy Spirit in Mosul and a graduate from the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, Angelicum in Rome in 2003 with a licentiate in ecumenical theology. Six months later, the body of Paulos Faraj Rahho, archbishop of Mosul, was found buried near Mosul. He was kidnapped on 29 February 2008 when his bodyguards and driver were killed.[17]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists][Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]
I’ve never heard of Gen. Petraeus having a plan for “all of North America...” Please, cite your references. Thanks.
http://www.truthandaction.org/general-petraeus-proclaims-nafta-replaced-america/
just search for General Petraeus vision for North America for more
Here is an interesting video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHwT21aNNU
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