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John Boehner gears up to shut GOP immigration dissenters down
Washington Times ^ | December 1, 2014 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 12/01/2014 9:21:35 AM PST by Maceman

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To: Maceman

McConnell promised a lot of things when he was running. He is speaking out of the other side of his mouth now about all of it. He thinks Republicans shouldn’t be disruptive. They should show they can govern, meaning manage whatever it is that Obama gives them to manage, The Republican Party has accepted its position as low level managers of the Final Transition to Progressive Socialism. And they may be kept round a little longer to help smooth the post Final Transition to Sharia.


81 posted on 12/01/2014 8:35:46 PM PST by arthurus
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To: firebrand

A Federal abortion law would be knocked down by the same judges that are forcing sodomite “marriage.” And it is the wrong way to go. Abortion is, like other kinds of murder, a crime. Crime is dealt with by the States. When the Feds take it over then the people have no more say and the law is subject to unaccountable Congressmen changing it to whatever they want and to a Sultan who will choose how to enforce it or whether to enforce it.


82 posted on 12/01/2014 8:38:50 PM PST by arthurus
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To: CSM

I had a waking dream today, a vision as it were. Obama was standing before Congress assembled for the State of the Union. Boehner and McConnell ere standing with him as he announced that henceforth the Senate and the House of Representatives would be combined into a single advisory body and would no longer have legislative duties which would be finally vested in the Departments and the Executive himself. All of the Democrats applauded wildly joined in their exultation by two thirds of the Republicans.


83 posted on 12/01/2014 8:49:31 PM PST by arthurus
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To: pfony1

So you’re happy with the great Republican “leadership”? Tell me, please, just what is it that they stand for?

The Republican win in 2014 was not a victory; it was a win by default because the Dems were worse than the Pubbies.

I don’t know what the point was of weaving Ferguson into your comment. What did that have to do with Boehner, or the state of Republican leadership for that matter? Try to stay on topic.


84 posted on 12/01/2014 9:26:48 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Good morning, Starboard!

Since you asked, I AM happy that we patriots have a larger majority in the House and a new majority in the Senate. That newly created strength will — FINALLY — allow us patriots to slow, if not stop, this Republic’s Obama-led sprint to third-world status.

And I AM happy that those obvious victories were achieved against the powerful forces of “incumbency”, “dirty money” and the Democrats’ well-known “willingness to cheat”.

I acknowledge that our GOP leaders are not “perfect”, but I am willing to give them credit for winning some difficult fights and I am willing to see what those leaders can do, now that they — FINALLY — have some power.

Which brings me to you. Why are YOU so unwilling to give a smidgeon of credit to Speaker Boehner? Or give him a chance to show how much good a unified Senate and House can do?

I know that working behind the scenes during a war to remove your enemy’s most successful leaders can produce victory in that war.

I know that’s why Obama and his minions worked so hard to unseat Boehner and McConnell in the last election.

But I don’t know why YOU are now trying to give an unearned “victory’ to Obama. Please enlighten me.

Shouldn’t there be some difference between YOU and an “Obama-bot”?

PS: My comment about the paid protestors at Ferguson was to refer to all those paid disruptors, who try to infect conservative web-sites. I call them “Obama-bots”.


85 posted on 12/02/2014 6:24:23 AM PST by pfony1 (Let's welcome some Democrat congressmen into the Republican party and OVERRIDE!)
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To: pfony1

Good morning to you as well!

Re Boehner’s “leadership” please list for me his major achievements and/or political victories during his tenure. I would be interested to know what they are. I and many other FReepers share a common view of him as weak, too accommodating to Democrats, and lacking a commitment to conservative principles. At the very least he has missed precious opportunities to constrain Obama. I submit that even a casual glance at some posts on FR will reveal widespread discontent with his leadership.

Wanting people to do better in their jobs, to advance the conservative cause, is not being an “Obama-bot” as you assert. Remaining silent in the face of failure is not a formula for success. Ask any coach of any team.
The sad reality is that Republicans are floundering. For example, they’ve had many weeks to put to formulate a response to Obama’s outrageous amnesty to reassure their voters that they won’t let this stand, but a clear strategy to deter him remains elusive still.

The Republicans (save for Ted Cruz) have no clear or consistent message and people have no idea what they stand for. The only way to defeat Obama, his party, and their allies in the media is to field a strong, well led team of dedicated people WITH CLEAR OBJECTIVES.

I leave you with this to consider. I know people who have worked inside the GOP and can assure you the party is far from what you think it is; it is infested with too many RINOs and other self-interested career politicians who are too willing to “compromise” with liberals. At the very least, it’s far from the party that Reagan left us.

The party desperately needs strong leadership and direction. Like with children, you often need to criticize and discipline in order to alter self-destructive behavior. The stakes are too high to accept mediocrity.
I hope you understand my view and can see that I’m not trying to give anything to Obama as you erroneously asserted. To the contrary, I want to see a winning team beat him at every turn and not just be content to swim along with the current.


86 posted on 12/02/2014 7:21:37 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Hi Starboard,

I agree with you. I am frustrated, too. I wish we had an army of Ted Cruzes, each making solid pro-America speeches to inspire our unconvinced neighbors to become patriots.

But we don’t, so, in the world we’ve atually got, it doesn’t bother me that no one in the GOP has told me YET precisely what the GOP will do AFTER the new Congress is seated.

Think about it. Why should our new Congressional leaders give the White House a “heads-up” — and a “target” — for that same corrupt White House to spin their lies about? In advance?

Why shouldn’t our new Congressional leaders announce their “New Budget” (if that’s the tool they select) in a “LIVE” speech on TV?

Why shouldn’t our new Congressional leaders USE that venue to DIRECTLY make the case to America’s middle class that the new Congressional “Budget” (if that’s the tool used) will add jobs and will shrink Obama’s obscenely bloated deficit? Why not give Senator Cruz that podium?

Some say that “Pickett’s Charge” could have won the Battle of Gettysburg for the Confederacy. And with that victory, won our Civil War. Of course, we’ll never know.

However, we do know that that Pickett’s Charge was strong, brave, well-focused, and well-led. We know that the “charge” reached its objective. And we know that brave force was just too weakened to “hold” what its blood had earned.

Let’s not be so bold that we rush in before we have prepared our side for complete victory.


87 posted on 12/02/2014 8:11:18 AM PST by pfony1 (Let's welcome some Democrat congressmen into the Republican party and OVERRIDE!)
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To: pfony1

I consider myself a Tea Partier having participated in events, donated to the cause, and generally supported the “movement”. Its no exaggeration to say that the Tea Party gave the House back to Republicans in 2010.

But what did the Tea Party get in return? Boehner promptly did everything in his power to marginalize it and push the people it elected into the background. Its hard to forget or forgive that type of treatment. Its only a bland, generic product with an expired shelf life.

Only results matter. I’ll give the GOP credit only if and when they produce. Remember, it is not called the Stupid Party for nothing. It has an uncanny way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again and again. IMO this is because they are devoid of any core convictions.

I’m not willing to continue supporting a team that is a perennial loser. Conservatives deserve better.

As to your question of why should the Republicans telegraph their intentions to Obama, it would be to deter him. Clearly, he does not respect or fear the GOP because its all talk and no show. It needs to establish itself as a force to reckon with that says what it means, and means what it say. Instead they are weak, and weakness invites aggression. Always has, always will.

There are MANY things the Republicans could have done to hamper Obama in recent years but they missed every opportunity to do so. That is no way to build credibility. The party as it stands today is a very long way from becoming a respected “premium” brand. Instead, its languishing as a tired, generic product with an expired shelf life that few people are buying. The only reason voters abandoned the other alternative “product” was that it was contaminated and recalled.


88 posted on 12/02/2014 8:44:58 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Hi Starboard,

Who knows? My wife and I may have marched next to you in the two Tea Party events we attended in Washington.

I thimk we both agree that we need to see action from the GOP pretty soon. The old excuse for inaction (”We only control the House!”) will no longer apply.

I think the new GOP proposal for a one-year continuing resolution with a “carve-out” and a shorter string for Homeland Security is a good proposal because it creates a trap for Obama.

Would Obama dare to veto a continuing resolution that will keep all of government operating a current levels for four months, and keep 95% of government operating at current levels for a year? If so, he really is a “nut”.

And, if he really is a “nut”, it shouldn’t be too hard to get the 67 Senators needed to vote to replace him.

That is, if so many of the Democrat Senators were not themselves “nuts”...

Interesting times...


89 posted on 12/02/2014 9:31:15 AM PST by pfony1 (Let's welcome some Democrat congressmen into the Republican party and OVERRIDE!)
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Re the Tea Party, I was at THE Big Event in DC. Wish we could have had more of them. It made a big statement and the country took notice.

Re the GOP proposal for a one-year continuing resolution, that’s the way to go. Short fund now, big cuts later (hopefully), after you have control. Totally agree with you there. I just hope they don’t squander the opportunity. It will be devastating if they don’t come through with big cuts and curtailment of Obama’s reckless programs and power grabs.

I have to see a reduction in the size of government before buying into the Republican plan. Seeing is believing. The national debt just went over $18 Trillion. Pubbies have a ample justification for cutting spending. No more excuses.


90 posted on 12/02/2014 9:54:45 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Uncle Miltie

Where are the forum RINOs coming to the defense of Boehur and McConnell?


91 posted on 12/02/2014 10:04:07 AM PST by sport
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To: firebrand

If true, he knows that the Supreme Court will overturn it.


92 posted on 12/02/2014 10:09:31 AM PST by sport
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To: Starboard
Tell me, please, just what is it that they stand for?

They stand for the same things the Democrats stand for. They just phrase it differently.

93 posted on 12/02/2014 10:14:05 AM PST by sport
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To: Maceman
But Mr. Boehner said any strategy to defund the president’s plans for immigration and amnesty isn’t the way to go

You cannot get more wrong than that. What do we have to do to get a sane Speaker? It's a tough job, John, but you don't have to do it. Why throw out that wonderful tool, unless you're a tool of corporatist interests?

94 posted on 12/02/2014 3:20:08 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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