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Is Francis saying, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

If one goes full-bore on free speech (which I personally believe in) and there is going to be a Charlie Hebdo like march, and all sorts of people show up mocking Islam, the Pope, Jesus, and have pics of the Dung Mary, Piss Christ and so on, then if you truly support unbridled free speech you will have to suck it up, and temporarily suspend your offense over your own faith being mocked and go all-out for free speech (as there would be people there mocking every faith).

1 posted on 01/16/2015 7:39:02 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If the Pope doesn’t grasp the concept of “turn the other cheek”, something’s wrong.


2 posted on 01/16/2015 7:40:50 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Burn them at the stake like Jan Hus, sure. But don’t make fun of them.”


3 posted on 01/16/2015 7:41:39 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think people are making way too much of this.

All the guy was trying to say is that while it might be legal to make fun of another religion, it is not polite. And we should be polite.

How is this even news?


4 posted on 01/16/2015 7:42:16 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The Church has had many towering intellectuals, but Frances is not one of them.
5 posted on 01/16/2015 7:42:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Offend a Christian and he is obliged to pray for you. Offend a Muslim and he is obliged to kill you.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Really?

1 Kings 18:27 (ESV)

27 And at noon Elijah mocked them, saying, “Cry aloud, for he is a god. Either he is musing, or he is relieving himself, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is asleep and must be awakened.”


6 posted on 01/16/2015 7:43:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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It seems that one would have to go all out for free speech in a march like this, or go by what Francis has to say. It looks like it is one or the other...

I wonder if he is basically saying “So in everything, do unto others as you would have them do unto you” Jesus Christ, Matthew 7:12 Luke 6:31.


7 posted on 01/16/2015 7:43:12 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Theres a lot in any idea about the unknowable to criticize, question, ridicule or doubt. Thats the nature of the unknowable.


8 posted on 01/16/2015 7:43:19 AM PST by muir_redwoods ("He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." G.K .C)
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There is nothing wrong with being offended and voicing your feelings. It when we are not allowed to speak by some authority that our right to free speech is abridged.

As much as I disdain Frank and his phoniness, he probably meant that we shouldn't make fun of other religions. Either that or he's really letting his kneejerk Marxist lust for control be manifested.

13 posted on 01/16/2015 7:46:22 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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Hey Frank, the prophet Elijah made fun of Baal.

Michael Savage was right when he labeled you as "Lenin's pope".

14 posted on 01/16/2015 7:47:53 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I would ask, “Your Holiness....what if it wasn’t a faith, but a murderous death-cult? Would it be okay to make fun of it then?”


15 posted on 01/16/2015 7:47:58 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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Do they drug test Popes? Just curious..


18 posted on 01/16/2015 7:49:02 AM PST by cardinal4 (Certified Islamophobe..)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I'm not Catholic and have never paid much attention to the Church's hierarchy, but these days I miss Pope John Paul II.

Maybe Malachy's prophecy is worth another look.

23 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:28 AM PST by GBA (Just a hick in paradise)
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Evidently he's never seen Monty Python's Flying Circus


25 posted on 01/16/2015 7:51:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Actually you CAN make fun of the beliefs of others; it's very easy to do. However, maybe you SHOULD not do it.

Reminds me what P.J. O'Rourke once said:

"A conservative may tell you that you shouldn't make fun of something. And he may be right. But a liberal will tell you, 'You can't make fun of cripples.' And he's wrong - as anybody who's heard the one about Helen Keller falling into a well and breaking three fingers calling for help can tell you."

27 posted on 01/16/2015 7:52:11 AM PST by Martin Tell (Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni.)
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The bottom line is that mocking God is meaningless. If as an ordinary person, if you pass by an anthill, and one of the ants is mocking you, even if you know that ant is mocking you, do you destroy the ant, or the entire anthill?

Then what if you see the ants tearing apart that one ant that was mocking you. What does that inspire you to do?

Otherwise, it has been said that the truly fanatical are that way, because among believers, they doubt their faith the most. So their response is to oppress others, on the grounds that *the others* faith is not strong enough.

If you mock the faith of a true believer, they will laugh at and ignore your mockery. Only the fanatic gets upset about it, because their faith is weak enough as is.

There is one proviso to this, however, which is that if the mockery is patently offensive beyond faith, it can be reasonably condemned, not out of fanaticism, but on the grounds of good taste.


30 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I raised that you should never make fun of anyone’s race, ethnicity, or religion.

However, radical Islam is more of a dangerous ideology than it is a religion.


31 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:22 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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Making fun of faith may be bad manners but it does not warrant a violent or lethal response.
If your faith can't hold up to a little mockery, then what good is it?
Every faith have some idiosyncrasies to poke at, whole careers have been made of it.
The Muslim overreaction to every little slight is the problem, any suggestion that the cartoonists or any other victim of Islamic terrorism "asked for it" does not hold water.

33 posted on 01/16/2015 7:54:51 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
you will have to suck it up, and temporarily suspend your offense over your own faith being mocked and go all-out for free speech

That is your rule, and I reject it.

/johnny

37 posted on 01/16/2015 7:59:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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The only time Jesus got angry was with the money changers in the temple. I wonder how much money the Vatican has in the bank, property and art.


38 posted on 01/16/2015 7:59:32 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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the pope’s a freak. communism raising it’s ugly head.


41 posted on 01/16/2015 8:04:57 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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