Posted on 02/03/2015 7:15:43 AM PST by azkathy
Ah, so your bias caused you to intentionally quote only the portion of the statement you believed in. Which is the ‘lie’ in the 2004 report. The data was excluded as it appeared to be corrupted by a small sample and an over sample of those vaccinated in order to attend early start preschool who had autism.
But then if you subscribe to the entire coverup theory, then if you aren’t talking about an black male child, then the MMR is clearly demonstrated as to be unrelated to autism. Or are you going to cherry pick that too?
Be consistent. If you’re going to say that study with the omitted data included indicates that there is a more that 300 percent increase in autism amoung black male children, then you also have to include the zero percent increase in all other demographics.
my point is that you knew your STD status before your baby was born, hence no need for these STD vaccines for your baby - do you agree?
It's the classic free-rider problem. If everyone (or almost everyone) thought that way, then nobody (or almost nobody) would get vaccinated, relying on the mistaken assumption that everyone else is vaccinated.
I completely agree. My status was known months in advance.
You create a false dichotomy.
It is quite possible that one of the outcomes would be putting flowers on the grave of a child who received the vaccine and contracted the very disease they were vaccinated against from the vaccine.
Had I been given the small pox vaccine as a child I would have had a VERY HIGH chance of contracting the disease.
No, I quoted the important part.
He lied. On paper. In an official CDC publication. An important publication. We’re not talking the effects of tertiary cigarette smoking on the field mouse population.
Anything else he says is suspect.
His religious belief in vaccination matters not. He’s no different than the climate ‘scientists’ who cheered on ‘Mike’s Nature trick’ and ‘hide the decline’.
I don’t have to subscribe to the ‘coverup theory’. He ADMITTED to the coverup. There’s no ‘theory’ there. It’s a coverup FACT.
What else have they covered up? Hmmm?
That’s just the data he personally admitted excluding. We have no idea about any OTHER data. If he felt compelled to eliminate one data set, do you think he was the only author? Who knows?
We know now that there is a policy of excluding data to meet ‘policy’ expectations. Any other paper by this author, or on this subject, from the CDC is suspect. Good luck with any FOIA on that though.
Fron WebMD:
“It is also possible for a person who has been vaccinated for chickenpox to develop chickenpox at some later point in life. When that happens, the disease is almost always milder and the recovery more rapid than for people who have not had the shots.”
I grew up during the pre-chicken-pox vaccine era, so I contracted chicken-pox as a child. I then had shingles as an adult. It was uncomfortable, but not life-threatening. I suspect that, 30 years from now, the same fraction of adults will contract shingles from the vaccine as is the case now among the non-vaccinated.
I did not know that, but now that helps illustrate your point.
I am under the impression that many idiots in the liberal MSM think this movement is a bunch of right wing Tea party "fundies", when it is not. So therefore, I expect these attacks to be relatively short lived when they find its not.
Very similar to the gluten free movement.
I am very pro vaccine.
I am 50 and have had pneumonia 9 times (only counting doctor diagnosis) since childhood. I even contracted pneumonia once after receiving the vaccine (2 years after vaccination). Doc says that it is the disease that is most likely to kill me. It is also possible that I will get rid of the strain that is in me but not covered by the vaccine. Since I have had a UPP and Septoplasty, I have not had a occurrence for past 10 years. One could argue that fixing my sinuses also fixed my vulnerability to pneumonia.
I travel extensively. I also got hep / yellow fever / encephalitis / and several others because I have decided that for my own situation, the risk of getting the vaccine are less than the risk of the disease.
But that is not always the case. People should be allowed to weigh their options and choose for themselves.
***Had I been given the small pox vaccine as a child I would have had a VERY HIGH chance of contracting the disease.**
Why would that be? I’ve had both SALK (1954) and SABIN. No one I know has EVER come down with smallpox because of these.
“Very similar to the gluten free movement.”
Very similar. But not as potentially dangerous.
Gluten free superstition is annoying, for example no more Bisquick at CostCo, but it won’t spread disease.
WOOPS! POLIO! Salk and Sabin!
I’ve also had smallpox vaccinations and no one vaccinated I know has ever come down with smallpox or polio.
I’ve has Pneumonia several times and now get the vaccinations every few years.
WOOPS! POLIO! Salk and Sabin!
I’ve also had smallpox vaccinations and no one vaccinated I know has ever come down with smallpox or polio.
I’ve has Pneumonia several times and now get the vaccinations every few years.
“Vaccinations all contain live virus of more than 60 different strains.”
Most of the vaccines that are administered routinely are made from killed or attenuated virus that cannot cause disease.
I know, personally, 2 people who got polio from the vaccine. Both of them were told at the time their paralysis was a ‘side effect’ of the vaccine. They were subsequently told it was in fact, polio.
My issues with vaccines, today, have little to do with efficacy or documented side effects from studies done 10-15+ years ago.
My issues are as follows:
Vaccines today are either manufactured in China or elsewhere from ingredients manufactured in China.
Manufacturers are indemnified from any liability from vaccines.
What could possibly go wrong there?
“the disease is almost always milder and the recovery more rapid than for people who have not had the shots.”
How do they know that?Do they have a crystal ball looking into the future? They said the same thing about smallpox, that if it was released in a biological terror attack, that people who had the vaccine would have a milder reaction. Some scientists have said that they do not know, that a previously vaccinated person could still die from smallpox.I had the small pox vaccine, but I would not want to test that theory.
Well, you will not object to your RFID implant then. Right?
After all, we in society need to know you’ve had your vaccinations before you get let into the mall, movie, amusement park...
I have taught clasess on Funcamentals of Therapeutic Agents and Pharmacology at a top twenty Medical School when I was a graduate teaching assistant, so I am more than knowledgeale on vaccines, their effectiveness, and risks. Like any foreign body, including all drugs, there is a risk. Like anesthesia for routine medical procedures, many children die due to complications from these risks. I am not God, it is not my right to decide for another whether the risk of the death or permenant disability of their child is a reasonable risk. Parents should have the right to make that choice, not be told what they must do by the government. I have used vaccines that are affected, where the risks or acceptable, but I’ve never gotten an influenza vaccine and never will. I live in a very remote rural area, and I don’t throw out my trash, I burn it and recycle what I can’t burn. In the Army, I’ve spent several months out in the wilderness in Korea in the winter with no access to water, waste disposal, heat, electric, or trash disposal with ten thousand of my closest friends and I managed to avoid leprosy and cholera, and hypothermia, but that was a little tougher. Maybe city people can’t live in a civilized manner without government coercion- so if that is the case perhaps you should narrowly tailor your gun laws, zoning laws, trash laws, fire laws, and vaccine laws, and whatever other busybody BS laws you need to regulate the animals you live with so they apply only to you, just don’t force them on those of who get along fine together and don’t want some rube from the city telling us how we must live.
in the old days, we got measles and developed a lifetime immunity
As for the pneumonia, based upon my experience, I would recommend that you see a ENT specialist. I am of the opinion that my pneumonia episodes would originate in my nasal passages as a sinus infection which would then drain into my lungs. Occasional sinus wash with a hydrogen peroxide / saline solution has kept me free of sinus infections (after I had my septoplasty) for several years now.
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