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Most Vaccines Should be Voluntary
Politico ^ | 02/02/2015 | Adam Lerner

Posted on 02/03/2015 7:15:43 AM PST by azkathy

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To: azkathy
This is not a reliable journal. There is a push for hysteria in the anti-innoculation mindset. I know I really can't reason against it when there are so many running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Just check out pictures of those kids with measles…that's just a tiny taste of what can happen. Go to your family cemetery and look at rows of little children who died in the early part of the 20th century of diphtheria.

We don't remember what it was like before vaccinations.

21 posted on 02/03/2015 7:39:03 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: grania

Rand Paul really gets nothing.

It has never been forced and shouldn’t be.

As far Hep C, I agree no reason for it.

The reasoning for them is that of course any children born now will grow up to be sexually immoral and expose themselves to such diseases.

As for flu shots, I don’t think they are necessary, but are not any harm.


22 posted on 02/03/2015 7:39:36 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: grania

That’s right, it’s about freedom of choice. And if you are not immunized against a disease that you pass on to my infant grandchild before he has had his vaccination, do I get the choice to just kill you?

Because if that happened, I would really really like to do that.


23 posted on 02/03/2015 7:40:32 AM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: codder too

Common denominator is recognizing autism as a disability with entitlements to other people’s money and special treatment.


24 posted on 02/03/2015 7:40:39 AM PST by hlmencken3 (“I paid for an argument, but you’re just contradicting!”)
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To: azkathy

This drama over vaccinations is another way that the leftist totalitarians cover their tracks because the real reason for this issue is the illegal aliens.

Nothing like getting conservatives to throw muck at each other to take the attention over their fascist imperialism.

Conservatives=squirrel


25 posted on 02/03/2015 7:44:18 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: azkathy

Anyone who thinks vaccinations are bad should visit an old cemetery established before the age of vaccinations. Look at the number of dead children.

It is then you realize why so many of the families before the 1900s had as many as 15 children because most of them would never live to adulthood due to diseases that are today preventable with vaccinations.


26 posted on 02/03/2015 7:47:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Mamzelle

If those who want all kids in school vaccinated go ahead and vaccinate their OWN kids, what difference does it make when someone who isn’t vaccinated arrives?


27 posted on 02/03/2015 7:48:02 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: azkathy

“most vaccines should be “voluntary.”

Aren’t they already? I unfortunately don’t have kids yet so I don’t know, but do you mean to tell me if you have a kid they force you to have the kid vaccinated?


28 posted on 02/03/2015 7:50:48 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Obama: 11 acts of blatant treason and counting.)
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To: Chickensoup

“... the real reason for this issue is the illegal aliens”.

Agreed. According to CDC’s own site, measles had been deemed eliminated in the US in 2000. Now there is an outbreak.. why? We all know the answer.. it just isn’t being reported as the cause.


29 posted on 02/03/2015 7:51:07 AM PST by momtothree
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To: codder too

I agree with you.

I HATE Government corruption. This issue is a great example of corruption and cover up. The CDC continues the mantra, vaccinate your children, immediately if not sooner yet they refuse to investigate/study the increasing rates of Autism and vaccine injury. Then the pundits and doctors continue to promote the CDC Vaccinate Mantra without even knowing that the CDC is negligent in their job to protect the recipients of these Vaccinations.


30 posted on 02/03/2015 7:52:04 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Hell...some companies force their employees to get ‘flu’ shots...this is nothing new.


31 posted on 02/03/2015 7:52:08 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: Chickensoup

Rather the blame has to go to BOTH the illegals and those whose kids are not vacinated.


32 posted on 02/03/2015 7:53:12 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: azkathy

“My body, my choice.”


33 posted on 02/03/2015 7:54:09 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: Mamzelle; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

I scanned all the way to YOUR post before I found what I’d “hoped” to see.
Most people my age (80) will sadly remember a time when kids didn;t complete a school year without a class mate dying from DPT,whooping cough, scarlet fever, samllpox, POLIO, measles, chicken pox, or a long list of other “childhood diseases”.
I think the majority of today’s population has NO memory of outbreaks of those once dread diseases. Worse, there is no memory of why they no longer run rampant through the schools.
Your suggestion of examining old cemeteries and seeing the appalling numbers of child deaths between a few months and the late teens is an excellent one. If one went to a cemetery and actually charted death ages, I’m afraid to think of the awful percentage of below age 10 deaths.
W


34 posted on 02/03/2015 7:54:24 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (N.Y. TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: azkathy

Paul is a quack. Far more people are killed by diseases than from the complications of vaccines. I suppose if smallpox were still common in the world, he would advocate voluntary vaccination, too.


35 posted on 02/03/2015 7:55:50 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: 1010RD

Thank you. If we don’t protect our kids from the diseases being brought in with the illegal traffic, then we’ll rue the day.

I’m not crazy about vacinations, but I’d rather be safe than sorry. This administration is hellbent on exposing us to the worst side of life in every way. We have to protect our own!


36 posted on 02/03/2015 7:57:18 AM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris, Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL Vets, too!)
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To: azkathy

http://pregnancy.about.com/od/newborntesting/f/What-Are-The-Newborn-Eye-Drops-Done-For-At-Birth.htm

“After your baby is born, usually some time in the first hour or two, he or she will be treated with eye medication, usually referred to by parents as eye drops. This is actually an antibiotic ointment to protect your baby from developing an eye infection after birth, usually caused by gonorrhea or chlamydia.”

Do YOU demand YOUR CHILDREN have the right to be blind or not by refusing the eye drops?


37 posted on 02/03/2015 7:58:31 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

I agree up to a point.

diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, scarlet fever, polio were killers.

No memory of anyone dying of measles mumps rubella, chix pox. and if you look at the cemeteries of the sixties and seventies, there are precious few deaths from those outbreaks.


38 posted on 02/03/2015 7:59:01 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

True, before vaccinations children DIED from measles, smallpox, and polio.


39 posted on 02/03/2015 7:59:27 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Good Muslims, like good Nazis or good liberals, are terrible human beings.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Indeed, fool, your statement has a certain superficial persuasiveness.

But, you're all wet when facts and reason are applied.

It is a fact that vaccines have a limited effectiveness. They do not work on every one who is vaccinated. The effectiveness on a mass population is dependent on a sort of "firewall" generated by the majority whose vaccines are working effectively. Your vaccine for polio, for instance, may be a dud. But with so many around you who are vaccinated, you are protected by their vaccine from being exposed. As soon as enough people are not vaccinated, you will contract polio because your chances of being exposed increase.

You take for granted this "firewall"--the way so many take for granted our military whose sacrifice gives us freedom.

Wander around old country cemeteries. Eventually you will come across a row of little stones where a family of children, maybe five or six, have died within days or months of each other. Imagine having a house of children all die of the same disease within a short time of each other. This was diphtheria.

It will probably take an outbreak of something awful to shake this hysteria and complacency. Generally, I don't manage to convince hysterics. It's a level of emotion that cannot be touched by common sense.

I agree that the HPV vaccine deserves discussion and scrutiny. It is not the devastating illness that diphtheria is…but at least look at the science. Your kid may not be sexually promiscuous, but may end up married to someone who is.

40 posted on 02/03/2015 7:59:34 AM PST by Mamzelle
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