Posted on 02/16/2015 3:42:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg
snip The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal. snip
(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...
Shia and Sunni are allied and fight in the same cause even as they slaughter each other on the ground. Iran supports ISISin Lybia and Boko Haram in Nigeria even as Persian aircraft bomb ISIS in Iraq. But when the Infidels are all dead or converted the Sects of Islam will fall upon each other with a zealousness bounded only by the limits of resources necessary for Jihad to continue. In an Islamic world the Shia and Sunni will divide all up in the areas they can defend and the smaller sects will be pushed into enclaves in inaccessible places. And there are actually more than just two sects. There are Alawites, allied with the Shia but NOT Shia, and the Druzes and many others. And there are the Sufis which are more ambiguous in that they are present in the other sects as the mystical Moslems and something approaching philosophers in Islam. All are ultimately anathema to each other but allies against the infidels.
I don’t really expect but would not be surprised if Obama announces that he is a Moslem before or just after the Constitutional end of his term. The Left would swoon in euphoria.
Yet they can use Western cell phones, computers, weaponry, vehicles etc.
Yep, no hypocrisy there.
Mohammed lived the perfect life and all Moslems must strive to live as Mohammed lived. Anything that is innovation in manner of life is therefore apostasy. There are passages in the Koran forbidding alcohol and Mohammed did not wear leisure suits. He also is assumed to have had a beard. Men just didn't shave in the desert. Hairless faces are a characteristic of living in towns, or is genetic. Chinese Moslems are permitted to not have beards though other hirsute followers of the Prophet are uncomfortable around them. A Moslem acquaintance years ago even said that most Chinese cannot be real Moslems because they cannot grow beards.
And of course we are stupid enough to go in there and get involved in THEIR sectarian disputes, that have nothing whatsoever to do with us and have been going on for almost 1,000 years!
It’s us who are insane for getting involved in that hot mess and pretending we are protecting some Muslims from other Muslims.
What ISIS really wants is to draw the West into their sectarian feud with other sects of Islam.
You were “protecting Muslims” from other Muslims ... neither of which give a rat’s ass about you or yours and would slit your throat in an instant ... after they have finished using you and your equipment and your “training” in service of their sectarian warfare (which has been going on almost 1,000) years.
We are dopes for getting involved in that hot mess.
That is all part of takkiya. They are permitted to drink whiskey when in infidel countries in order to blend in end use all devices that enable Jihad but all that will have to go away when Islam triumphs and there are no more infidels. Practically speaking it will all go away in such a case because a Moslem society with no non Moslem nations around them to trade with or steal from cannot produce or maintain anything like modern technology. They must revert to what they have always been i.e. herders of sheep and desultory agriculturists.
Almost=1300+.
Interestingly, there are passages in the Koran condemning emigration into infidel societies. Takkiya must supersede that if the emigrants are infiltrating the infidel countries to convert or destroy (same thing) them.
Strange bedfellows alert.
I don't think I will really ever totally grasp the essence of Islam and it's sects. It is very hard to get your head wrapped around something as irrational and really anti-human as Islam, particularly 7th century Islam.
Nevertheless, our fearless leaders in Washington had better do so and soon. I suspect the best we can hope for is sometime in 2017. The current regime seems more dedicated to the success of ISIS than its defeat.
Our fearless leader has head wrapped around Islam to a far larger extent than do most of us. It is his own religion. He understands it. He is furthering it to the best of his ability.
Answer: "White women."
>>The NAZIs and the Communists were bitter enemies, not because their visions were in conflict, but because different gangs were in charge.
On that, see the Hayek quote on my FR profile page. It’s the 3rd one down, two paragraphs.
So, you’re muslim?
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[Anjem ] Choudary said Sharia has been misunderstood because of its incomplete application by regimes such as Saudi Arabia, which does behead murderers and cut off thieves' hands. "The problem," he explained, "is that when places like Saudi Arabia just implement the penal code, and don't provide the social and economic justice of the Sharia—the whole package—they simply engender hatred toward the Sharia." That whole package, he said, would include free housing, food, and clothing for all, though of course anyone who wished to enrich himself with work could do so.
Abdul Muhid, 32, continued along these lines. When we sat down, he was eager to discuss welfare. The Islamic State may have medieval-style punishments for moral crimes (lashes for boozing or fornication, stoning for adultery), but its social-welfare program is, at least in some aspects, progressive to a degree that would please an MSNBC pundit. Health care, he said, is free. ("Isn't it free in Britain, too?," I asked. "Not really," he said. "Some procedures aren't covered, such as vision.") This provision of social welfare was not, he said, a policy choice of the Islamic State, but a policy obligation inherent in God's law.
No wonder liberals love Islamists.
Millenarian like the Twelver Shi'as.
Recruiting, fundraising, and public relations like Al Qaeda.
What could possible go wrong?
Agree, well worth the time spent.
Re Ghost of SVR4:
All I can say is there are a lot of ignorant people out there.
Reading the Koran...It’s a real page turner! :-)
I don’t find any of that in the Koran.
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