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What ISIS Really Wants
The Atlantic ^ | 2/16/15 | Graeme Wood

Posted on 02/16/2015 3:42:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg

snip The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal. snip

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; algeria; indonesia; iran; iraq; isis; islam; israel; kurdistan; libya; mali; pakistan; syria; taliban
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Very long but well worth the read if for no other reason than it destroys the argument that ISIS isn't really Islam.
1 posted on 02/16/2015 3:42:03 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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And one of the best lines in the article: “As if to show that he could terrorize by imagery alone, Adnani also referred to Secretary of State John Kerry as an “uncircumcised geezer.””


2 posted on 02/16/2015 3:43:29 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Lol, he sounds like he has inside knowledge.


3 posted on 02/16/2015 3:47:38 AM PST by odds
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To: DoodleDawg

Same thing that Islamic Obola wants:
DEATH of all ... except terrorists.


4 posted on 02/16/2015 3:48:43 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: DoodleDawg
...following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail.

In that way, they are similar to Christians who try to live by the example of our Savior Jesus Christ.

The problem, and it's a HUGE problem, is that the 'holy' man they are emulating was a violent, savage, psychopathic, murderous, pedophile rapist.

5 posted on 02/16/2015 3:53:10 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: DoodleDawg

I know that image terrifies ME!

;-)

I do wonder how the guy knows John Kerry is uncircumcised, though. First hand experience, perhaps?


6 posted on 02/16/2015 3:55:23 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: All

Allah = SATAN.


7 posted on 02/16/2015 4:02:35 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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From the article:

Many mainstream Muslim organizations have gone so far as to say the Islamic State is, in fact, un-Islamic. It is, of course, reassuring to know that the vast majority of Muslims have zero interest in replacing Hollywood movies with public executions as evening entertainment. But Muslims who call the Islamic State un-Islamic are typically, as the Princeton scholar Bernard Haykel, the leading expert on the group’s theology, told me, “embarrassed and politically correct, with a cotton-candy view of their own religion” that neglects “what their religion has historically and legally required.” Many denials of the Islamic State’s religious nature, he said, are rooted in an “interfaith-Christian-nonsense tradition.”... According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”

8 posted on 02/16/2015 4:03:31 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

My beeber is completely stunned over the fact that there is any debate as to whether or not an entity that is designated with the initials I.S. For “islamic State” is not somehow...islamic or about islam.


9 posted on 02/16/2015 4:06:39 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DoodleDawg
Very long but well worth the read if for no other reason than it destroys the argument that ISIS isn't really Islam.

My take as well.

I'm working my way through it but that seems to be the important takeaway from the article. Of course it is opposite in a very 180 degree way from the message coming from the current President of the United States and his spokesmen - liars all.

10 posted on 02/16/2015 4:21:02 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: DoodleDawg
Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to ... following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail.

And that is why Islam is Evil and must be eradicated.

What would be the outcomes if Christians followed the Scripture to the letter? We'd have less fornication, theft, homosexuality and adultery. Nobody would lose their head.

11 posted on 02/16/2015 4:23:06 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: DoodleDawg
Every Congress Critter should read this paragraph - so they see the root cause of the Islam problem. The "good muslims" -and we Christians - are marked for death.

Denying the holiness of the Koran or the prophecies of Muhammad is straightforward apostasy. But Zarqawi and the state he spawned take the position that many other acts can remove a Muslim from Islam. These include, in certain cases, selling alcohol or drugs, wearing Western clothes or shaving one’s beard, voting in an election—even for a Muslim candidate—and being lax about calling other people apostates. Being a Shiite, as most Iraqi Arabs are, meets the standard as well, because the Islamic State regards Shiism as innovation, and to innovate on the Koran is to deny its initial perfection. (The Islamic State claims that common Shiite practices, such as worship at the graves of imams and public self-flagellation, have no basis in the Koran or in the example of the Prophet.) That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death. So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God.

12 posted on 02/16/2015 4:41:16 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: DoodleDawg
The article provides a reminder that ISIS is a Sunni movement. The majority of Muslims are Sunni but most of those in Iraq and I believe Iran are Shia. About 60% of the population of Syria is Sunni. The remainder are at risk for their lives as are all the Shia in Iraq and Iran.

From the article:

"Being a Shiite, as most Iraqi Arabs are, meets the standard (i.e. the failure to view the Koran exactly in accordance with the Sunni beliefs) as well, because the Islamic State regards Shiism as innovation, and to innovate on the Koran is to deny its initial perfection. (The Islamic State claims that common Shiite practices, such as worship at the graves of imams and public self-flagellation, have no basis in the Koran or in the example of the Prophet.) That means roughly 200 million Shia are marked for death. So too are the heads of state of every Muslim country, who have elevated man-made law above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God."

13 posted on 02/16/2015 4:42:00 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: DoodleDawg
What ISIS Really Wants

The satanists who control america want payment in human lives and Isis is just one way that's being arranged. Prime-time reality TV featuring the murder of Christians is also in the works -- Isis is the gateway for that. Americans will go along with it. They don't seem to care anymore. Obama could come out tomorrow as a pawn of a satanic cabal and nobody would care. As long as they have their tv shows and iphones and other toys, the majority of americans are happy.

14 posted on 02/16/2015 5:04:41 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: DoodleDawg
Don't miss this paragraph from the article where he discusses the false belief in "the religion of peace" and the "willful ignorance" of people like our President and those that advise him:

"According to Haykel, the ranks of the Islamic State are deeply infused with religious vigor. Koranic quotations are ubiquitous. “Even the foot soldiers spout this stuff constantly,” Haykel said. “They mug for their cameras and repeat their basic doctrines in formulaic fashion, and they do it all the time.” He regards the claim that the Islamic State has distorted the texts of Islam as preposterous, sustainable only through willful ignorance. “People want to absolve Islam,” he said. “It’s this ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ mantra. As if there is such a thing as ‘Islam’! It’s what Muslims do, and how they interpret their texts.” Those texts are shared by all Sunni Muslims, not just the Islamic State. “And these guys have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.”

15 posted on 02/16/2015 5:14:30 AM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: DoodleDawg

Excellent article. Thank you for posting it.


16 posted on 02/16/2015 5:16:38 AM PST by paterfamilias
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To: DoodleDawg

I would like to read it, especially because seeing such an article in such a publication seems a bit odd and perhaps a sign that some liberals are getting uncomfortable with the idea of using Jihad to advance the Stalinist State. The two visions, Islam and Communism are identical in their total control of everything but it leaves the question that is paramount to the Communists, Who is to be the ruler? Theory is terribly important but identity ultimately triumphs. The NAZIs and the Communists were bitter enemies, not because their visions were in conflict, but because different gangs were in charge.


17 posted on 02/16/2015 5:35:50 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: WayneS

Perhaps Kerry is an exhibitionist, or maybe, if Kerry is as sharp as we all think he is, he doesn’t remember to put things back in place when he leaves the rest room.


18 posted on 02/16/2015 5:38:00 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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To: arthurus
Perhaps Kerry is an exhibitionist,

Ha...I guess John f'n Kerry (of Vietnam fame) went windsurfing with Richard Branson.

19 posted on 02/16/2015 5:44:34 AM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: DoodleDawg
Everyone who is interested enough in the world to frequent FR should go get a copy of the Noble Qur'an and read it. It is a pain. The repetition is such that removing the word for word repetitions would shrink the volume down by probably two thirds. But if you read it you will clear away all from your eyes all the obfuscations and BS about that "religion of peace" and the supposed benevolent treatment of "peoples of the Book." Once you learn about "abrogation" you will see that the apparent benevolence of some suras doesn't pertain. In my copy it is all right there because it includes hadiths and Biography. My copy is a Saudi translation so when the Moslem argues back at me that what I read is a false translation- and to a Moslem the only true text is the Arabic, all others are, at best, commentaries and full of lies- I can point out that it is at least what the Guardians of the Holy Places desire for the reader to think.

and P.S. Anyone who reads Arabic and is not a Moslem is a Liar because only a True Moslem can read the Arabic of the Noble Qur'an.

20 posted on 02/16/2015 5:51:16 AM PST by arthurus (it's true!)
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