Obama and Congress reach deal over Iran nuclear talks

BBC News ^ | 04/14/15 | staff

[keat]

The US Congress will have a say on a nuclear deal with Iran, under a new agreement reached with the White House.

President Barack Obama withdrew his opposition to a bipartisan bill that was unanimously passed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

The bill means the administration must immediately send text of a final deal to Congress.

An outline agreement on the future shape of Iran's nuclear programme was reached after marathon talks in April.

The US, Iran, and four other nations have set a deadline of 30 June to finalise a deal which would ease western sanctions in exchange for restrictions on Iran's nuclear programme.

Some Republicans have argued against the deal, saying that Iran has received too many concessions.

[LucyT]

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Congress gives in to Obama again. Not only that, they ignored the Constitution and set up this fake bill to give Obama the green light with his give-away treaty with Iran. The treaty is now anything Obama personally writes. Just for his damn legacy. Congress has no say and certainly we don't.

Article, comments, and check out #38.

[Truth29]

It is a quote from Star Wars; see post #23 for someone who pulled up the actual character.

[RetiredArmy]

So I guess this means the RINOs in charge cave for the fool in the hood on Pennsylvanian Avenue.

[kingattax]

ok thx

[SoCal Pubbie]

Mark Levin is coming unglued about this deal today. Saying congress handed over the treaty powers of the Constitution to Obama. It will take a veto proof majority to override a presidential veto instead of 2/3 to pass it as a treaty.

[SoCal Pubbie]

Mark Levin is coming unglued about this deal today. Saying congress handed over the treaty powers of the Constitution to Obama. It will take a veto proof majority to override a presidential veto instead of 2/3 to pass it as a treaty.

[Truth29]

Yes, he was and says that the GOP has totally abdicated their responsibilities and turned the treaty part of the Constitution on its head, that the GOP has stacked the deck so that Obama can do anything that he wants, and made the Congress a party to Obama’s madness.

[SkyPilot]

Gee, thanks Congress.

[Seizethecarp]

NY Times is writing Iran deal up that Barry got flat-out run over by a bipartisan coalition!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/us/senators-reach-deal-on-iran-nuclear-talks.html

“An unusual alliance of Republican opponents of the nuclear deal and some of President Obama’s strongest Democratic supporters demanded a congressional role as international negotiators work to turn this month’s nuclear framework into a final deal by June 30. White House officials insisted they extracted crucial last-minute concessions. Republicans — and many Democrats — said the president simply got overrun.”

“Democrats had implored Mr. Obama to embrace the legislation.

‘If the administration can’t persuade 34 senators of whatever party that this agreement is worth proceeding with, then it’s really a bad agreement,’ Senator Chris Coons of Delaware, a Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee said. ‘That’s the threshold.’

“To temper opposition to the deal, Mr. Kerry, Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew and Energy Secretary Ernest J. Moniz gathered with senators Tuesday morning in a classified briefing, after a similar briefing on Monday for the House.

“But the administration met firm opposition in both parties.”

[drpix]

" It will take a veto proof majority to override a presidential veto instead of 2/3 to pass it as a treaty."

The Constitution requires the same 2/3 majority to override a Presidential veto. The trick must be a some other detail(s).

[SoCal Pubbie]

The only small thing I can offer is I still don’t think this was going, or is, a treaty anyway.

[Pilgrim's Progress]

Just another law that a democratic president can chose to ignore. It don’t mean squat.

[Art in Idaho]

Mark Levin today: "The US Senate just rewrote the treaty provision of the Constitution. . . The Treaty provision, must have 2/3 approval of the Senators present concur . . They usurp the Constitution all the time. . . This crucial power should not belong to one man, the President. . . Unless Congress rejects it with 60 votes, Obama can lift the sanctions and will need 67 votes to overturn a presidential veto. . we have 54 Republicans in the Senate. . . the Senate has capitulated. . this Senate deal, explicitly says you need 67 votes to override a Presidential veto, to undo what Obama has done, . . they're in it together. . . Why are we in this at all? . . We are entering into an arrangement with a terrorist regime. . All this does it give cover for the Congress. . . It's made it impossible for the Senate to stop Obama" . . They just gave up their Treaty Power. . This is extremely dangerous."

We'll never get 60 votes to stop him, and overcome a filibuster, then Obama veto and then can never get 67 Senate votes to overcome a veto, so Obama has a complete green light to write whatever he wants. Now that they have this, I'm betting Obama will tweak it even more and say he made some minor changes.

What would the Founders say knowing the current POTUS is writing whatever he wants and it becomes a Treaty?

From the Right Scoop:

"Mark Levin exposes the treachery in the US Senate today, who he says just capitulated completely to Obama by gutting their own constitutional duty to approve treaties, giving it solely to Obama. So in short, Obama can make a treaty with the Islamo-Nazis in Iran without submitting it to the Senate and the Senate can only stop it if they can get enough nays to vote against it."

Now Iran can get Nukes, ICBMs and Russia is delivering S-300 defense systems this year. Thanks Obama and Senate.

Is it time for a revolution?

[SkyPilot]

There is only one explanation available to me as I search for a reason or rationale for the incredibly flaccid, inept Republican “leadership” in the face of Obama’s tyranny. The answer is that we are dealing with Demonic power. The Book of Ephesians speaks of powers, principalities, and spiritual wickedness in high places. That is what I believe we are facing. Most Republicans have not turned to God for answers, and hence they are powerless to fight, much less thwart this Evil.

[Art in Idaho]

The answer is that we are dealing with Demonic power. . . Most Republicans have not turned to God for answers, and hence they are powerless to fight, much less thwart this Evil.

I agree. We are dealing with a uniparty that is beholden to an evil President. They have drunk the Kool-Aid. Must we just stand by and watch? Do we not have a moral and ethical duty to rebel?

[nwrep]

Just because Mark Levin says its a treaty does not make it so. A treaty has a much higher bar for compliance by both sides. Here, it is a one sided compliance by Iran in return for removing sanctions. I don’t think any serious analyst or lawyer on the right thinks this is a treaty.

[SoCal Pubbie]

That’s pretty much was what I was trying to express. I think Levin would argue it will be acted upon like a treaty, just as executive orders have been accepted as laws, even though they aren’t.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Every time they reach a deal, we all get screwed.

[Usagi_yo]

I don’t want a treaty with Iran. My understanding is this isn’t going to be a treaty. Yet if approved by the House and the Senate will it become a treaty or just an “executive understanding”?

Worst yet, if after passing this law, then upon not acting on either approving or disapproving, does it become a treaty? Is Congress inadvertently painting itself into a negative affirmation approval on on treaties?

Negative affirmation means by not acting on it, it is considered passed because they didn’t reject it? That’s how they used to get their pay raises. They had it setup so that they have to “vote no” on their pay raise, or it automatically goes into effect.