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Guess I shouldn't be surprised. You know, the whole seperation of church and state thingy. Do these people(?) have any comprehension skills whatsoever? Uh, NO! Maybe I'm just not nuanced enough to interpret these things.
1 posted on 05/18/2015 6:40:15 AM PDT by rktman
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Why doesn’t somebody just slap these people?


2 posted on 05/18/2015 6:41:53 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: rktman

This reads like satire.


3 posted on 05/18/2015 6:45:10 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (If Hillary was running against Satan, I'd probably abstain.)
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Why are civil liberty groups against civil liberties?


4 posted on 05/18/2015 6:45:14 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Won’t happen.

Meanwhile, get the addresses of those making the accusations out there and let nature take its course.


6 posted on 05/18/2015 6:48:07 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Among the biggest backers of “separation of church and state” are the American people themselves. They are seeking “freedom from religion.”


7 posted on 05/18/2015 6:48:21 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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That really does not make any sense. Pretty much all formal military gatherings include prayers during the ceremonies. Often prayers start and end the gathering. Usually they are delivered by a chaplain or other officiating person. This is a long tradition.


9 posted on 05/18/2015 6:51:09 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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A calendar I bought last year at the Colorado Air Force Academy didn’t even have Easter listed on it. No surprise here.

And isn’t the head of the Air Force in its entirity a person who has NEVER flown before. Good God, are we in trouble.


10 posted on 05/18/2015 6:51:16 AM PDT by laweeks
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Unfortunately enough of these sorts of Leftist bent have ascended to power via the judicial pathway, thus their ability to even initiate such nonsense as they do.

There has to be easier, or more obvious means by which to rid our society of those whom abuse our systems for their dubious political wants while still leaving those whom abide by, and protect the constitution safe, and in place.


11 posted on 05/18/2015 6:51:45 AM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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I guess we need to identify and record all Professional Athletes who thank God for a winning score/tackle/goal.

Those Athletes need to be expelled from their Professional teams and spend two weeks in the Town Center stockade


12 posted on 05/18/2015 6:54:14 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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13 posted on 05/18/2015 6:54:28 AM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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ISAIAH 54:17

But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken!


15 posted on 05/18/2015 6:55:10 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Psalm 33:12)
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These idiots would court-martial GEORGE WASHINGTON for praying at Valley Forge.

And George Patton for praying a written prayer for clear skies over Bastogne.

From: http://pattonhq.com/prayer.html

“Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.”-George Patton


16 posted on 05/18/2015 6:55:20 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Some times you need more than six shots. Much more.)
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A civil-liberties group is demanding a two-star Air Force general be court-martialed for mentioning God

Who can detect the total language-disconnect and cognitive dissonance in the quoted sentence?

(cue Jeopardy music)

17 posted on 05/18/2015 6:56:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz (America has less than a year left.)
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SAME OLD SAME OLD

The same Dumb Schmuck. who wanted the pledge of allegiance banned...

the same DUmb Schmuck..who wanted In God We Trust BANNED




18 posted on 05/18/2015 6:58:00 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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The letter in question

http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/05/51415-propaganda-bonanza-for-isis-air-force-general-defies-law-by-witnessing-for-jesus-in-full-uniform-on-worldwide-tv-and-internet/


General Mark A. Welsh III,

This demand letter is sent to you on behalf of countless members of the United States Air Force who are utterly disgusted and shocked by the brazenly illicit and wholly unconstitutional, fundamentalist Christian proselytizing recently perpetrated, on international television (“GOD TV”), and streaming all over the internet and in full military uniform, by USAF Major General Craig S. Olson on Thursday, May 7, 2015 during a VERY public speech for a private Christian organization (The “National Day of Prayer Task Force”: NDPTF) headed up by Focus on the Family founder, Dr. James Dobson’s, wife Shirley Dobson.

Olson’s highly publicized, sectarian speech is nothing less than a brutal disgrace to the very uniform he was wearing and the solemn oath he took to support and defend the United States Constitution. This public address was his, and the USAF’s, “contribution” to this scathingly sectarian 2015 version of the NDPTF’s annual shame spectacle and display of Christian supremacy and exceptionalism held in the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill from 9:00 am until 1:00 pm EDT on that date.

As you well know, Major General Olson is the “Program Executive Officer for C3I and Networks” at Hanscom AFB, Mass. where, as that installation’s highest ranking officer, he commands 2,200 subordinate Air Force personnel and is in charge of nearly $11,000,000,000.00 of American taxpayer funds.

General Welsh, as the old saying goes, “a picture is worth a thousand words.” Thus, please take a good, hard look at this link below and tell me that you’re just not sick to damn death seeing an active duty Air Force General Officer boastfully proselytizing and freely witnessing his personal brand of his own fundamentalist flavor of his evangelical Christian faith to literally a worldwide television audience and, concomitantly, streaming over the World Wide Web on “GOD TV”:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNbaMXzaPQg

You know, Mark, just a very few days ago, another one of your Major Generals blatantly disgraced the uniform by describing a picture of alleged intoxicated USAF personnel as appearing to him to be “drunker than 10,000 Indians.” Thankfully THAT flag officer stepped down almost immediately. Even more thankfully, despite the obvious unbridled bigotry, racism and prejudice clearly illustrated by his hideous remark slamming Native Americans, the national security implications of HIS statement, at least, are literally DWARFED by the same national security risk analysis given Major General Olson’s screed of fundamentalist Christian triumphalism as broadcast around-the-world on “GOD TV” and the Web. Indeed, I should NOT at ALL have to explain for you and your senior Air Force staff the obvious clear and present danger to our nation’s critical national security safety created by the tragic juxtaposition and unlawful conflation of Major General Olson’s senior military command position with his twenty minute “sermon” of fundamentalist Christian extremism delivered over worldwide TV and internet, with insipid “Stepford Wife”, smiling face, nonverbal punctuation, in full Air Force service dress uniform. Do I?

Can you even IMAGINE the essentially limitless propaganda bonanza this speech by Olson has ALREADY likely provided the sinister likes of ISIS/ISIL, Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Taliban and a horde of other terrorist organizations that universally depend on painting the United States military as “Crusaders” for a virtual galaxy of nefarious reasons?

Oh, Mark, by the way, please take another good look at the controlling, new USAF regulation which is DIRECTLY on point here; Air Force Instruction 1-1, Section 2.12:

2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief. (emphasis added)

In light of your very own Air Force regulation, irrefutably on point with the matter herein, and the violation of which is proscribed as a potential FELONY under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, do you honestly NOT see any incredibly serious problems here with Olson’s statements, Mark? Please also note the controlling holding of the seminal 1974 Supreme Court case of Parker vs. Levy (417 U.S. 733), penned by Chief Justice William Rehnquist, significantly limiting the Constitutional rights of active duty military members (such as Major General Olson) vs. the same rights enjoyed by their American civilian counterparts.

Additionally, Major General Olson has violated the No Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights as well as having constructively created a banned “religious test” in specific contravention of Clause 3, Article VI of the body of the United States Constitution.

He is also providing an unlawful endorsement and selective benefit to a non-Federal entity (the NDPTF, which is a private organization), in violation of both the Joint Ethics Regulation (DoD 5500.7-R) prohibition on endorsement of non-Federal entities and DoD Instruction 5410.19, which prohibits the providing of a selective benefit or preferential treatment to any private organization, as well as violating a slew of other DoD directives, instructions, and regulations.

Consequently, on behalf of itself and its over 41,000 active duty and veteran armed forces clients, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) hereby demands that Major General Craig S. Olson be immediately, aggressively and very visibly brought to justice for his unforgivable crimes and transgressions via trial by General Courts Martial and that any and all others who assisted him with his NDPTF speech of fundamentalist Christian supremacy be likewise investigated and punished to the full extent of military law.

For further background please see the following links:

Military participation in the NDP is an even greater national security threat than ever, with the event being broadcast around the world on GOD TV and also being streamed on the internet. 

National Day of Prayer 2014 Postmortem — U.S. Military Endorses Calling its Commander-in-Chief the ‘Abortion President’

The exact same military participation took place back in 2010 (band, color guard, speaker, etc.), and the exact same regulations were violated today. 

Sincerely,

Michael L. “Mikey” Weinstein, Esq.

Founder and President

Military Religious Freedom Foundation

CC:

The Honorable Ashton Carter, United States Secretary of Defense

The Honorable Deborah Lee James, Secretary of the Air Force

General Martin E. Dempsey – Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff


21 posted on 05/18/2015 7:13:53 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: rktman

Another angry malignant dwarf.


22 posted on 05/18/2015 7:16:33 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: rktman

National day of prayer... to Who?


25 posted on 05/18/2015 7:31:11 AM PDT by Fido969
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In today's military, George Washington would be court-martialed for giving thanks to God which he did publicly and on numerous occasions.

How far we have fallen...


27 posted on 05/18/2015 7:40:33 AM PDT by Gritty (The more we submit to violent jihadi intimidation, the more we are going to get-Robert Spencer)
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Just another candidate for “Lack of confidence” dismissal of a warrior by obummer.


30 posted on 05/18/2015 8:56:54 AM PDT by pfflier
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