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20-Month Investigation Leads to Criminal Charges Against Archdiocese
KSTP ^ | 6-5-15 | Jennie Lissarrague

Posted on 06/05/2015 5:05:45 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

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To: basil
I absolutely hate this—! As a practicing Catholic, it breaks my heart….I wish there were some better ways to vet these men when they are at the seminary…...

Perhaps an inquisition of sorts would not be amiss to arrive at the truth. Is that how it starts ?

21 posted on 06/05/2015 7:34:43 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Sounds okay to me—but I’m not sure it would work.


22 posted on 06/05/2015 7:53:03 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Larry381

They also neglected to mention that Archbishop Harry Flynn was one of the worst and most ravingly liberal of the Catholic bishops. The press loved him, mostly because he hated the Church and just used it for a good living.


23 posted on 06/05/2015 8:00:35 PM PDT by livius
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To: TurboZamboni

Reading the entire article it appears “then-Vicar General Kevin McDonough” (wonder where he is now?) was personally responsible for covering up. He went so far as to lie to the concerned parishioner about St Luke’s recommended course of treatment.


24 posted on 06/05/2015 8:03:07 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: basil
Sounds okay to me—but I’m not sure it would work.

The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men,
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!
(The best laid schemes of Mice and Men
oft go awry,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!)

Robert Burns, To a Mouse (Poem, November, 1785)
Scottish national poet (1759 - 1796)

25 posted on 06/05/2015 8:07:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: terycarl; Gamecock; metmom; bonfire; TurboZamboni
Nonsense...it happened less in the Catholic church than in protestant denominations...

Read 'em and weep:

The data is clear—celibate Catholic priests are no more likely to abuse children than clergy from any another denomination, or even teachers and other secular adult leadership. As Ernie Allen, the president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, has stated: “We don’t see the Catholic Church as a hotbed of this [abuse] or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone else." Professor of psychology, Dr. Thomas Plante, agrees with Allen: "Catholic clergy aren’t more likely to abuse children than other clergy or men in general."
-- from the thread Is the Catholic Church a Force for Good?

....I found the National Catholic Register website where a letter of apology was printed by a woman who forwarded the same article that appeared in the Chronicle. It is entitled: “A Correction and an Apology” by Danielle Bean. She states: “But I should have dug a little deeper and looked more closely at some of the other parts of the speech. The rest of the speech, in which Mr. Miller relies heavily upon statistics found in an article from Sojourners magazine, cites an erroneous statistic of “10 percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia.” “This statistic was later corrected by Sojourners, but it had already been picked up by Miller and others"....Philip Jenkins responds... ‘I regret to say that the statement is baloney. I never said it, and it’s not true!... Every time this 10 percent statement appears attributed to me, I try to debunk it, but these things have a life of their own. I have no idea what the actual proportion of pedophile protestant clergy is, but I would be amazed if it was more than a fraction of one percent.
-- from the thread Letter about Catholics wrong about Protestants [re claim 10% of Protestant clergy are sex abusers]

My research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination -- or indeed, than nonclergy. However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported....about 40 priests, about 1.8 percent of the whole, were probably guilty of misconduct with minors at some point in their careers. Put another way, no evidence existed against about 98 percent of parish clergy, the overwhelming majority of the group. Since other organizations dealing with children have not undertaken such comprehensive studies, we have no idea whether the Catholic figure is better or worse than the rate for schoolteachers, residential home counselors, social workers or scout masters.
-- from the 2002 online article at Zenit, "The Myth of the Pedophile Priest"

In a defiant and provocative statement, issued following a meeting of the UN human rights council in Geneva, the Holy See said the majority of Catholic clergy who committed such acts were not paedophiles but homosexuals attracted to sex with adolescent males. The statement, read out by Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican's permanent observer to the UN, defended its record by claiming that "available research" showed that only 1.5%-5% of Catholic clergy were involved in child sex abuse. He also quoted statistics from the Christian Scientist Monitor newspaper to show that most US churches being hit by child sex abuse allegations were Protestant and that sexual abuse within Jewish communities was common....
-- from the thread Sex abuse rife in other religions, says Vatican


26 posted on 06/05/2015 8:19:30 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: basil
as I understand from reading here and there, heterosexual young men were practically drummed out of many seminaries....

there was a change back in the early 60's and the liberalization of everything near and dear to the heart and soul of he church was born.....and the obliteration of it continues....

27 posted on 06/05/2015 8:26:41 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ladyjane

all accusations should be criminally investigated and the individuals punished....


28 posted on 06/05/2015 8:29:05 PM PDT by cherry
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To: terycarl
yes, the protestants are so quick to judge, yet many of them have been quick to push abortion and homosexual marriage....

you see, where you have no standards and allow everything, nobody cares....but be a church that teaches against abortion and against homo marriage, then you've got a target on your back...and then there's the $$$$$$$$.....

FWIW, I do not believe many of the "stories" from decades ago and especially when the priest has been dead and there are no witnesses....

treat all of this as a crime...investigate and find evidence...then charge, arrest and convict and then punish....

let the chips fall where they may, but at least have some stinking proof....

29 posted on 06/05/2015 8:35:23 PM PDT by cherry
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To: basil

Actually, evil and corruption is part of this world. We aren’t in heaven.

The infiltration was great in the early 1900s-—in Pascendi, Pope Pius X reported that modernism was infiltrating the CC and it was a problem. Bella Dodd—who was baptized by Bishop Fulton Sheen had written a book before she was murdered about how when she was a Communist agent in the 30s and 40s, she helped infiltrate the seminaries with homosexual Marxists-—to destroy the Church from within It is the Communist M.O. to infiltrate any organization which wields power and the Catholic Church had an organization which reached the four corners of the world. Fr. Oko’s report on Homoheresy is important to read. He prepared the report for the Vatican during Pope Benedict’s “term” ???? and What was that????? http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html.

We had a murder of Pope John Paul after 33 days and the book I read on him claims that the Vatican Bank was being run by mafia at the time-—or Marxists or whoever, and the new pope was going to clean them out....and he was murdered. He had ordered a change but nothing was done after he was killed by the “new” pope who lasted for decades.

The Vatican Bank was never “cleaned” up...so we have maybe had “puppets” as popes since the death. Who knows????? All we do know is that after Vatican II, Traditions have been tossed (Marxism) and the reforms were all “goofy” and blurred the truth and destroyed the Church in many aspects and sexualized curricula in the schools-—which is against Catholic Canon and evil—as is throwing out Traditions.

So-—what is going on???? Who knows, but evil never rests,

Truth will set us Free. When the Church obscures the Truth, we know they are anti-Catholic.

The Church has been skirting the Truth and promoting Vice-—My kids went to Boston College and Notre Dame and they were promoting Satanism, giving Obama and the Vagina Monologues a platform and money to pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups for decades. They were corrupting the people in their charge.

What has been going on? It an infiltration by Marxists/Freemasons/anti-Catholic people, whoever they are, and they are out to destroy the Catholic Church and destroy Christianity because Individualism and Natural Rights -—those concepts are only possible in children raised in the Natural Family who promote Virtue (autonomy/Freedom). The mind of a child has to be removed from the concepts of mother and father and all Traditions for the Brave New World-—so children can never have the ability to have a worldview like the Founders or of the men who created the Age of Reason and Individual Natural Rights from God (the USA).

Tribal minds are collective/sodicalist minds like the Inca. They can’t “think” in Logical, abstract ways and remain controlled “happy slaves” of the State ruling elites. It took thousands of years for a mature Christianity where the Laws of Nature (God’s Works) and Revelation converged with a St. Thomas Aquinas so a USA could be conceived several centuries later. Faith and Reason was combined and Blind Faith (Eastern religions or Paganism—irrational religions of contraditiction) were ejected by Western Civilization.

The Cultural Marxists knew to collapse civilization they had to wipe out Christianity, the main pillar of Western Civilization-—so they could create Tribal minded “children” who could not conceive of Natural Law Theory (Modern Science)-—and abstract thought——they would remain puerile people who would remain “happy slaves”. (Research Fichte 1810, “snow is black”. We have been “Germanized” : Marxist ideology pumped into schools along with Neo-Freudian ideology (all godless)-—drugs for sin to destroy conscience.


30 posted on 06/06/2015 12:54:16 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie

That’s a lot of information of which I was not aware. Now I will have to do some research and study.


31 posted on 06/06/2015 4:39:43 AM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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