Posted on 06/12/2015 5:05:09 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
Cruz stated his position clearly and honestly.
I support him given his explanation.
More dissembling. How about the conditions TPA places on this now public TPP. 1) Can’t amend it, 2) pass it in the Senate takes 51 votes, vote it down takes 60 votes.
Also, the President is ‘bound’ to negotiate the agreement with Congress......exactly when did he ever negotiate anything with a Congress, a Congress controlled by both sides. It just ain’t gonna happen.
I’ve laid out my concerns here and in prior posts pretty succinctly. This whole mess stinks to high heaven. The fact that Cruz supports this coupled with my history of support for him makes me feel pretty uneasy about his candidacy. This debacle is bad for this country right now. We are not in such a dire situation that this concoction of appeasement has to be passed while this tyrant is President. All of this can wait.
Lastly, even though I am Cruz supporter, I refuse to carry the water for a bad decision because some big business donors see TPA/TPP as a way to keep their profits up.
Bears repeating.
Well it's too late for me.
Do they give refunds?
Anyone who is really serious about opposition to legislation votes against anything that forwards that legislation.
Senators perfected the art of having phony votes to give members of their exclusive club political cover.
But their cover has worn thin.
We the People are on to them.
Once the marks have had someone explain to them how the conman works his scam the scam quits working.
Correction. Cruz understands that trade agreements are historically developed in secret and kept secret, so he can’t intelligently say he opposes secrecy per se, but probably opposes the actual parts of the whole that are kept secret.
The only charitable excuse I can come up with, to offer our candidates, is that they are on the road too much to know wth this trade authority and the subsequent trade agreement actually means.
If Jeff Sessions is on to something, our candidates need to pay heed and rethink this dog.
I don’t, and I don’t want the Congress to legitimize potential Obama acts that he could make as Executive under EO’s, frankly. The difference with TPA/TPP and future pacts is that the bar is too high to defeat them and no chance of amendment. Once passed, they become law. EOs doing the same thing which he could have done anyway are not and can be undone.
At this point I still support him, but I don’t accept his explanation.
How can Senator Jeff Sessions see exactly the same papers and deals and say it says the exact opposite of what Cruz is saying?
How can this be seen 180 degrees apart?
Why not refuse to pass this now, let the public look at the documents, and let us decide for ourselves?
Or can supportsers of this TPA/TPP point to a link where this is in the public domain?
“TPA is fully public and Cruz opposes the secrecy of TPP and wants that to be fully public when it’s voted on sometime in the future.”
And I can keep my Doctor and health plan too, right?
The TPA is a battering ram that makes inevitable the passage of the TPP. “Wants it to be fully public when it’s voted on?” So we can know what’s in it after we pass it? Sorry - been there - done that.
Cruz might as well pack it in. The only hope of his campaign was to energize people like me, and he just f***ed me over.
Go vote for one of the other supporters of it who are lying to you about it but leave me out of your idiotic rants.
“I would add this: The inability of the lower, uneducated classes to move out of poverty because the stepping stones to a middle class income have been destroyed by exporting manufacturing jobs.”
I agree with you on the loss of economic and social mobility for undereducated, unskilled people. Historically taking on an unskilled job in a manufacturing plant, working hard, and being given training for higher skill jobs was a road to the middle class for millions of disadvantaged young people.
Also add the destruction of many small towns in rural America dependent on a single large or several small manufacturing operations. When the manufacturing is exported, the town’s economy is decimated and town residents become dependent on government social services. Drug addiction and crime follow breaking down the community’s social order. The community tax base erodes as inordinate social costs are added. These are all costs of free trade which the free traders are unwilling to acknowledge.
Look, it seems we’re getting a lot of postings taken right off the campaign websites, or, by campaign staff, state delegates and party operatives.
When these sources address Jeff Sessions warnings directly, then we might have a discussion.
( Jeff isn’t running for president and has long proven to be a sound measure of truth and fiction.)
Where is the public copy of the bill?
If you can’t find it, then this is a back room deal, and we’re being asked to trust.
Well...I DON’T trust them.
This is what it is along with the TPP,
FAST-TRACK WITHOUT PUBLIC CONSENT...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/244745-trade-vote-survives-scare-in-rule-vote
Will Cede Immigration Powers To ‘Unelected Corporations And Foreign Governments’...
SESSIONS: ‘Elites Who Dream Of Writing Rules In Foreign Capitals’...
Excellent post and position, except:
“Does TPA give the President more authority? No.”
I don’t believe that. My understanding is that TPA gives 0bama the right to negotiate in as much anti-American language as he can get past the Senate in an up or down vote. No Amendments.
The TPA’s restriction against amendments EMPOWERS 0bama. So I think this part is disingenuous.
But I’m glad Cruz took the whole thing head-on. It’s an otherwise reasonable and (IMHO) unassailable position.
I’m still a supporter. I don’t see a better candidate. If this one bad judgment is the only black mark, Cruz is the best conservative there is.
In the future (and it is already happening now), manufacturing will go to the country with the best tax environment for business. Few human jobs will be affected by manufacturing.
When you pay $400 for a little box with a CD in it in order to get a piece of software, how many jobs do you think it took to produce that? The money is going to the marketers, the developers, the management, the project managers, the attorneys, the tax accountants, etc. There isn’t much of a “factory floor” for such items, and most of that is automated.
And most of those jobs can be plopped down on any piece of real estate on the planet, even Antarctica. There is a reason Boeing moved its headquarters to Chicago from Seattle. And GE is moving to Texas.
There is a simple way to keep REAL jobs in the US, and manufacturing as an ever shrinking piece of the impact of it.
Most Americans used to work in agriculture. Times change.
Agree with you, and I too am a Cruz supporter, but a very easy rule is, “If Zero wants it, it’s bad for America.”
Welp, that is what I meant to say but didn’t, couldn’t or wouldn’t, so thankya.
I am sick of being taken for a sucka and being on the losing side for soooooo many years.
New republican mantra: “Don’t worry, we’ll cut em of at the pass.”
They know that Cruz killed his campaign by supporting TPA. They are in desperation mode at this time. They are trying to give Cruz cover, but as you can see by the posts on this forum, it ain't working.
Free Republic used to be Cruz Country.
When he does something to lose Free Republic, he has pretty much destroyed any chance he has of being the nominee.
His campaign should be calling him on the carpet rather than trying to give him cover.
This is a bad deal for Americans and a great deal for international corporations and one world government advocates.
OBAMA WANTS THIS PASSED. That should be all the information you need to know to oppose it.
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