Posted on 10/10/2015 5:14:01 AM PDT by GonzoII
They were NOT unknown in Europe. That’s one of the big lies people get taught. They had good knowledge there was another land mass there, the only thing they weren’t sure of was if it was worth the effort to exploit.
You actually point out exactly why Columbus’ actions are over blown. What matters is that Europe decided to continue the connection. It would have happened with or without Columbus, it was just a matter of timing.
I AM adopting that standard, which is why I point out that Columbus did not discover America. At most Columbus is the guy that said “yup, there’s cool stuff here, we should take”.
The ancestors of the current American Indian tribes were not interlopers. They just were here in the Americas first, and long before the Europeans came to the New World.
Someone actually once took DNA samples of the members of various tribes across America, and genetic matches were found with the present day inhabitants of the various “stans”.....those areas that, prior to 1991, were known as Soviet Central Asia.
I wish I remembered where I read that story....it was a number of years ago.
When I lived in California over 20 years ago, Pasadena, California declared “Columbus Day” indigenous people’s day.
I think Pasadena was one of the first cities to dis Columbus.
Qui tacet consentit.
a new human race didn't materialize here thru magic...humans MOVED here, like humans across the globe, searching for new lands, new resources...
populations change over time....just like we're being flooded by illegal South Americans....
Columbus and the Europeans brought civilization and progress to the "New World"....America would probably be no better than Africa or some Asian countries if not for Europeans....
its not that we should ignore the peoples that were before us....we should learn from them and honor the past....
but the past is the past....and always will be..
Neil Armstrong knew where he was going. Neil Armstrong knew where he had been. Neither statement is true of Columbus.
Which means that Columbus is the more to be amazing if sheer courage and grit is the issue.
I propose we change the capital of Ohio -—> Indigenous, Ohio. Perhaps British Columbia could become — British Indigenia. Or the next space shuttle — “Indigenia”. Well, maybe not.
If Africa is the ‘cradle of civilization’, doesn’t that make indigenous peoples immigrants too?
/Leftist heads explode
The “indigenous Indians” practiced slavery, rape (their version of the Democrats/Clinton war on women), torture, scalping, kidnapping, robbery, mass murder - Not all of them but enough to make life very precarious and almost worthless.
Their greatest achievements were in medicine discoveries from native plants and major regional/alliance tribal organization(s).
No real iron work, no multi-tiered buildings except some of the mud and wood pueblos of the SW, pictographic or rope symbols for communications (plus smoke signals) but no written language, etc.
They did well with what they found/had but they never rose above an aboriginal level of society despite the few great alliances they created.
However, many tribes were not the gentle, noble savage everyone on the Left thinks they were. Some were peaceful and internally productive/creative, esp. in the Southwest (the cliff-dwellers of Mesa Verde, Chaco Canyon, etc), but others were blood-thirsty raiders and not much else.
If you look at the leftist cities who adopted the Indigenous Peoples’ Day, you will find them to be Marxist shitholes for the most part (many with a lot of crime, drugs, jihadists, and PC administrations).
There is one thing to be proud of your ancestral heritage, but to do it at the PC level is not only stupid, it makes you look stupid, thus reinforcing negative stereotypes about the protesters.
Sometimes beware of what you want, because when you get it, it may not turn out to be as good as you thought it would be.
At least the Indians successfully crossed over the land bridge to Alaska. Ted Kennedy couldn’t even stay on a small one in Chappaquidick.
#42 - Re “I Pee Day”.
Do you remember the old “Take Tea and Pee” ads.
Let’s update it to “Take Tee and Pee” (not better for you).
One Impy abolishes Black History Month, MLKJr Day, Earth Day, Labor Day, Ramadan, and Kwanzaa.
The second part of your sentence contradicts the first. If you're "adopting that standard," you recognize that "the guy" Columbus was the indispensable man in this situation. He put together the backing and the team, took the risk, explored the mysterious "island" they vaguely posited was there—which turned out to be two entire continents—laboriously catalogued all he had found so that others could follow, and made it safely back home. At the time, it was recognized as an incredible feat. Because it was.
He led. He pulled it off. He won. No one else did. Maybe someone else woulda, coulda, or shoulda—earlier, later, or much later. But they didn't. As you put it, "Columbus is the guy that said 'yup, there’s cool stuff here, we should take.' "
That's what explorers do, that's what discovery is, and there's no substitute for it. Leftists don't understand this, because they don't discover anything. They just belittle great men from the armchairs of history. But I know that you know better.
One reason the Five Civilized tribes wee considered Civilized is they owned black slaves.
“Columbus wasn’t an idiot...he was the world’s first Democrat.
When he left, he didn’t know where he was going..
When he got there, he didn’t know where he was.
When he got back, he didn’t know where he had been.
And he did it all on other people’s money!”
You forgot to mention when when Columbus did came back, Columbus enslaved the local population to do his work. Just like Democrats have always done.
Columbus also posed as a God to the local population, just like Democrats try to do with the State.
Eurasia and Africa are simply too big with too much of the worlds population for the America’s in isolation to ever stand a chance either in biological and technological defenses. Contact was inevitable so was conquest such as was the custom of every culture both native American, Eurasia and African.
It is true, and if we go by first come first get.
Almost no place on Earth is still settled by the first people and culture to find that place.
Even in the America’s this is what happens to civilizations that are weak, they are replaced by other civilizations. The first civilization is almost never the strongest and almost no civilization ever survives the test of time.
Americans should recognize this fact as their own civilization begins to decline and fall apart by force of the half-truth wickness it children have been taught to believe.
A failing I suppose that starts in our inability to control the corruption of our own power structure specifically in Public and private education monopolies.
In the end those who define Good and bad to our children have become separated from the notion of what works and doesn’t work.
A foolish notion of absolute equality has been perhaps intentionally made to ignore functionality.
Kind of view this as “pay back” after i read the Italian - American powers discredited and squellched (in the ‘60’s) any credit to the Vikings who have pretty much have been proven to have reached North America 300-400 years before Columbus..
I agree. Except I’d keep Kwanzaa, but rename it “Who B U Daddy Day?”.
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