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“I gave the order myself” − Turkish PM on downing Russian plane
thinkpol.ca ^ | November 25, 2015 | thinkpol

Posted on 11/25/2015 3:08:33 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet DavutoÄŸlu today revealed that he personally gave the order to down the Russian Su-24 fighter jet that lead to the death of one pilot.

“Despite all the warnings, we had had to destroy the aircraft” Davutoğlu told a meeting of his AK party. “The Turkish Armed Forces carried out orders given by me personally”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwot; russia; shootdown; turkey
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To: AndyJackson

I understand. No matter what Putin does, a lot of people think that he is a genius. I am ok with that. I am just not one of those people.


61 posted on 11/25/2015 5:45:09 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: AndyJackson; Tau Food
Turkey attacked the Russians. Article 5 of the NATO charter does not apply

Be assured that Bammy and his Turkish friends will do all they can to drag NATO toward the abyss based on Art 5. That's the only thing other than Islamic ideology that gave Turks the spine to shoot down a non enemy AC because it was "approaching (our) airspace"

To Tau; Remember high school, when the punk-ass bully thought he could get away with being a P-A Bully because he had a big brother? NATO has a punk baby brother and so does the Russian Federation.

62 posted on 11/25/2015 6:03:19 PM PST by norton
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To: Tau Food

Putin was bitch slapped and frankly he had it coming.

Georgia
Ukraine
Constant overflights into US and Western territory.

He can do nothing about it.


63 posted on 11/25/2015 6:06:34 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: sport; The Ghost of FReepers Past
So do I ][...still suspect he ran it by Obama first]

Oh good grief. The plane was long gone before anyone could put through a call to the WH, work through the switchboard and find Obama on the golf course, wait for Obama to consult with his aids and military advisors and decide yeah we are behind Turkey when it decides to shoot down Russian bombers.

64 posted on 11/25/2015 6:23:20 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: rbmillerjr
Constant over flights into US and Western territory

Oh really! Do tell. "Constant" Russian incursions into US territory. Now I am frightened.

65 posted on 11/25/2015 6:25:39 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

You have a point. I had not thought it through.


66 posted on 11/25/2015 6:26:45 PM PST by sport
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To: bgill

Well, time really slows down under stress.


67 posted on 11/25/2015 6:27:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I had student debt. It came from a bank. Not from the Govt.)
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To: Tau Food
No matter what Putin does, a lot of people think that he is a genius

Who is calling Putin a genius. Not me. He is an adept leader of a powerful country with interests. Those are things you put into your calculus of what you can and should do.

68 posted on 11/25/2015 6:29:02 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Clearly this was a set up waiting for the jet to cross in to Turkey's ADIZ. I am sure AWACS were involved as well as coordination.

Having sad that it is nice to see heads of state actually involved in pressing matters. Actually taking interest.

69 posted on 11/25/2015 6:29:55 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donozark

I was thinking the same thing. Recall the plutonium cocktail served to that guy that Putin wanted dead?


70 posted on 11/25/2015 6:32:55 PM PST by anton
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To: AndyJackson

‘Oh really! Do tell. “Constant” Russian incursions into US territory.’

The Russians have been doing this for years. Seriously...you missed this? It’s constantly in the news.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/pentagon-confirms-russia-violated-us-airspace-16-times-last-10-days-not-just-trainin


71 posted on 11/25/2015 6:39:41 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: AndyJackson
He is an adept leader of a powerful country with interests.

Setting aside all the foreign policy blunders, I wish he could do something about his country's decaying economy. The failures of Kleptocracy remind us again that free market capitalism is the way to make things work best. His people deserve better, but they are probably going to have to wait until they have a more competent leader. I believe that someday that will happen for the Russian people.

72 posted on 11/25/2015 7:03:48 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: AndyJackson

No I mean it was pre planned. They were just waiting for Russia to barely cross over again.


73 posted on 11/25/2015 7:29:08 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: rbmillerjr
From. your link: defense officials confirming Russian strategic nuclear bombers conducted at least 16 incursions into northwestern U.S. air defense identification zones over the past 10 days

Sorry, but an air defense identification zone lies outside our claimed national boundaries.

74 posted on 11/25/2015 8:04:39 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Well that is credible. Stupid, but credible.


75 posted on 11/25/2015 8:06:15 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Tau Food

It was certainly not the first airspace violation. In already October 6th Turkey condemned repeated airspace violations by Russia and asked the Russian envoy to explain why they keep doing it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/nato-chief-jens-stoltenberg-russia-turkish-airspace-violations-syria


76 posted on 11/25/2015 9:21:12 PM PST by Krosan
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To: don-o

It’s not just quotes but other characters too that show as question marks. You might have noticed some weeks ago FR had issues with warnings people were getting when posting. Evidently part of the solution was changing the encoding used on the server. It needs to be switched back to UTF-8. I am sure using a third party to have a record of a persons postings paired with their internet address is not an appealing solution to many.


77 posted on 11/25/2015 10:23:09 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I checked the page. At first glance examination it does not seem to record anything. Even though the key part of the code is very short:

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78 posted on 11/25/2015 11:07:42 PM PST by Krosan
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To: Krosan; don-o; Jim Robinson
W3C Internationalization Checker
The html tag has no language attribute

Why should I use the language attribute in web pages?
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79 posted on 11/25/2015 11:25:08 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Sacajaweau

Exactly, this would’ve been the mature and proper thing to do. You escort the plane out and fire warning shots if they refuse to comply. Its not like Russia is currently at war with Turkey so there’s no reason to shoot down a plane that is not hostile


80 posted on 11/26/2015 3:41:24 AM PST by 4rcane
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