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Weak President Obama versus evil ISIS and vile NRA  
nydailynews.com ^ | december 7, 2015

Posted on 12/07/2015 5:26:39 AM PST by lowbridge

In a rare Oval Office address, President Obama issued a necessary call to action to the nation to snap out of its gun-rights stupor - while vowing to redouble the U.S. war on the death-cult jihadists of ISIS.

Outrageously, his first objective is certain to run into a cement wall in a Congress controlled by a Republican majority that runs errands for the National Rifle Association. And the second strains credibility given his own halting campaign to destroy the terrorist proto-state and those motivated by its radical Islamist ideology.

In the days since the attack in San Bernardino, many have sought to glibly classify the mass murder as either an act of terrorism or as a gun crime.

It was both. Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were inspired by anti-American ISIS, but they never could have murdered 14 innocents in a manner of minutes had they not be able to arm themselves with the all-American weapons and ammo they obtained thanks to lax gun laws.

Guns and jihadist terrorism go hand in hand, in this case literally.

Yet against all evidence, the true believers in the gun-rights lobby refuse even checking weapons purchasers against the FBI's terrorist watch list.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; isis; nra; obama; secondamendment; terrorism
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To: lowbridge

Weak or complicit; you make the call.


21 posted on 12/07/2015 6:18:24 AM PST by Calpublican (Muslims: Reform Your Crappy "Religion" or Join a Real Religion)
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To: Flick Lives

You omitted the potentially most deadly stealth weapon of all. Requires NO background checking at point of sale, whether from dealers or private sale. It is readily available to any seeker, in a very wide variety of appearences. Further, it is absolutely LEGAL to possess.
The potential weapon I think of is called an AUTOMOBILE.
Heaven forbid...just think what a determined person could do on a crowded sidewalk in any city. Scary, isn’t it.
Question...Would the “gun grb\abers” then blame the DRIVER or the ASSAULT AUTOMOBILE?


22 posted on 12/07/2015 6:19:27 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: Twinkie

I mind.

Because countless people with common names like Jack Smith, Alexandra Hayes, David Nelson, etc. are on these so-called watch lists, and so are the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people who share these common names. They still fly, but have to go through endless intrusive and time-consuming hassles at the airport, and sometimes miss connecting flights.

The government can add names and there is no re-course to getting your name removed from these lists.

We should object, lest every member of the NRA and every TEA Party man or woman ends up on these so-called terror lists.


23 posted on 12/07/2015 6:23:13 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Just say NO to muslim "immigrants")
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To: Twinkie

right mind objects to anyone on the “terror
watch list” having their guns grabbed or being prevented
from buying more?


On my good days, I’m often in my right mind. I object to the idea that a fundamental right can be denied because somebody has put my name on a list. There is no due process, no appeal process—in fact the person on the list is not told he is on the list. You get on the list because someone (and you don’t get to know who) thinks you should be on it. Does that really sound like a good idea to you?


24 posted on 12/07/2015 6:31:39 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: from occupied ga

Actually in NY, North of Westchester County it is not hard to get a pistol permit at all.

Of course, North of Westchester you are in a totally different state, as well.


25 posted on 12/07/2015 6:33:44 AM PST by Flintlock (Our soapbox is gone, the ballot box stolen--we're left with the bullet box now.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

“We should object, lest every member of the NRA and every TEA Party man or woman ends up on these so-called terror lists.”

Exactly right!


26 posted on 12/07/2015 6:48:13 AM PST by MNGal
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To: Flintlock
Actually in NY, North of Westchester County it is not hard to get a pistol permit at all.

If you have to get the government's permission to do something (ie. get a permit), then that something is not a right. It is a privilege, and privileges can be taken away at any time for any reason or no reason at all. I believe the Bill of Rights addresses God given rights not privileges granted by government. The NY mindset that you have to have a permit is indicative of just how far from free the citizens of NY are.

Here in GA I don't need a "pistol permit" at all. I just go to the store and buy one if I want one. (of course I have no guns - I don't even know what one looks like :-)

27 posted on 12/07/2015 7:00:27 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: lowbridge
It was both. Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were inspired by anti-American ISIS, but they never could have murdered 14 innocents in a manner of minutes had they not be able to arm themselves with the all-American weapons and ammo they obtained thanks to lax gun laws.

Oh my - their sick minds never can see that the bad guys will break any laws out there and that the victims were all following the laws because not one of them was carrying in a restricted place...

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28 posted on 12/07/2015 7:10:24 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Twinkie

I object to anyone on the terror “watch list” being arbitrarily denied their rights because it’s run by idiots and there is no due process involved. I’d sooner see just being a follower of islam as the defining rights denial benchmark because the manual instructs the devout to kill and subjugate and is incompatible with the Constitution and Republic.


29 posted on 12/07/2015 7:11:25 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: lowbridge

Pro-terrorist speeches he gives many


30 posted on 12/07/2015 7:22:27 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: lowbridge

How odd. They didn’t even put a name to this pile of bull screed.


31 posted on 12/07/2015 7:25:46 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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To: from occupied ga
Bingo, you nailed it.

Nothing left to add, save that they are also beavering away at "building socialism" as if it were 1938 and we were all living in the co-op apartment buildings run by nize Jewish Communists in the good old days in Manhattan, when people could still afford to live there.

32 posted on 12/07/2015 7:27:31 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Question...Would the [gun-grabbers] then blame the DRIVER or the ASSAULT AUTOMOBILE?

Don't laugh too hard .... gun-grabbing socialists have another pet peeve: Your car.

Urban planners and other high-hat Bauhaus socialists despise, even hate, cars and the freedom of movement that they afford us. Freedom not to live stacked on top of one another in totalitarian worker-storage arrangements (invented by protocapitalists in another age, but never mind), freedom to come and go as we please.

Gotta hate that other guy's freedom ... that's the essence of socialism and big-city politics.

33 posted on 12/07/2015 7:39:03 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: lowbridge

Obama selling more guns.


34 posted on 12/07/2015 7:48:03 AM PST by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: Flintlock
Of course, North of Westchester you are in a totally different state, as well.

That's why I keep suggesting that New York be divided at the Croton River and the centerline of Hudson Canyon, and downstate be separated from New York, and both downstate New York and New England be expelled from the Union. It's just "common sense".

We'd get rid of about 30-40 million Democrat/Communists with one move. The "real" United States begins on the New Jersey Palisades.

We'd keep Bedloe and Ellis and Staten Islands; the other guys could keep Riker's. Which is also just "common sense".

35 posted on 12/07/2015 7:50:09 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: lentulusgracchus

One thing to rememer, though. I grew up in a “mill town” that featured many 4 and 5 story textile factories. Naturally there was “worker housing” close by. However, it must be remembered that those sprawling factories were built BEFORE the coming of the automobile, and workers had to live within WALKING distance of their jobs. Neither were there buses and horse-drawn transport was totaly inadequate to the task.
The advent of the auto is what gave us the ability to drive to work a half hour away, rather than be confined to a job a half hour WALK.


36 posted on 12/07/2015 8:07:43 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: lowbridge

***President Obama issued a necessary call to action to the nation to snap out of its gun-rights stupor***

STUPOR? We were in a stupor back in 1968 when Bobby Kennedy was murdered five years after John Kennedy was murdered. We were blindsided, and the 1968 Gun Control Act (a rewriting of the 1938 Nazi weapons act) was passed before opposition could really be mounted against it!

At that time the NRA had NO lobbying arm and just a few hundred thousand members.
No sooner was the “gun” problem “solved” than the anti gunners began to call for stiffer regulations. The anti-gun cry has never let up.

Since those days we have been fed a constant barrage of anti-gun propaganda, with a new “demon gun” which has not phased us at all, only strengthened our resolve to oppose any and all anti-gun laws.


37 posted on 12/07/2015 8:19:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: from occupied ga
To hell with New York, it's media and it's government loving 0bama backside kissing citizens.
38 posted on 12/07/2015 9:34:14 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Obama has groomed CAIR to be THE voice of Islam in the USA as a dangerous political force in the USA)
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To: hanamizu

I guess I’m not on the same wave length as many. I’m
getting older by the day and have flown all I intend to
fly in this realm. - Gun ownership to us here in this
locale isn’t talked much about. When you inherit old
blunderbusses from the Revolution and old Smith &
Wessons from over a hundred years ago; you are on a
different wavelength than Hussein & his fellow travelers.
You learn to make your own bullets in bullet molds &
learn marksmanship at your granddaddy’s knee. It is a
different world here. When your dad fought the Nazi’s
and came home shell shocked all to hell; you live in
a different reality than many. - For one thing; you are
flummoxed at how in the world this country could ever
elect a stinking Communist as President.


39 posted on 12/07/2015 11:16:47 AM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: All

This morning I posted a comment on the article, a well reasoned rebuttal I think, to their editorial. I pointed out that the attack wasnt because of “lax gun laws”, but in spite of them. How california had among the most restrictive gun laws in the country, not lax ones. And how forbidding gun sales to those who were on the terrorist watch list wouldnt have prevented san bernardino because the two terrorists werent on the list (but 72-73 TSA employees are).

My comment was deleted.


40 posted on 12/07/2015 1:45:35 PM PST by lowbridge
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