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Did Trump walk into a trap on “NY Values” fight?
Legal Insurrection ^ | 1/15/16 | William A. Jacobson

Posted on 01/15/2016 4:56:56 PM PST by TBBT

The exchange between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump on “NY values” was one of the highlights of last night’s debate.

While Cruz clearly was referring to liberalism, he used a phrase that left him open to Trump’s counterattack invoking 9/11:

he media is thrilled with Trump’s response. Of course, much of that media is in or from NY City. I expressed last night that I wasn’t sure that the issue would play in Trump’s favor outside NY.

I was born in NYC, spent my early childhood there, grew up in and returned to the NYC suburbs after law school until moving to Rhode Island in 1993. And since 2008 have lived (originally part time now full time) in Ithaca.

I understand what Cruz was referring to. And it has nothing to do with knocking the heroism of NY police and firemen, or how New Yorkers reacted under attack. It has everything to do with political, economic and social outlooks which are not accepted in the Republican Party in general much less among conservatives.

The Cruz campaign apparently thinks this is a fight it needs to have, via Washington Examiner:

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: cruz; newyork; trump
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To: TBBT
What Ted meant:


Carrie Bradshaw=bad NY values.


Archie Bunker=good NY values.


81 posted on 01/15/2016 8:01:14 PM PST by SoFloFreeper (Obama hates the three Cs: Christianity, Constitution, and capitalism.)
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To: Awgie

You’re a moron.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/levin-i-know-exactly-what-he-means-by-new-york-values

“All” Trump did was play the equivalent of the Race Card. Cruz laid out EXACTLY what New York Values are. Trump knew he couldn’t win the argument on substance because of the Russert interview. So what did Trump do? He basically said, you’re not attacking me because I’m a liberal in disguise, you’re attacking me because I’m a New Yorker.

It was the Race Card...Republican Style and it was planned by Trump. So if you buy this crap Trump is selling, the next time you get po’ed at a lib trying to say people disagree with them because of their color, you have nothing to stand on since you encourage this garbage.

Nothing Cruz said had ANYTHING to do about 9/11 or the NYPD or the FD. And you either know that or you’re a liberal troll who’s hidden in the shadows. There is no middle ground on this.

I guess we’ll never be able to talk about the Washington Cartel anymore because Trump will bring up the Pentagon attack. And we probably won’t be able to talk about Hollywood’s war on America because Trump will bring up the San Benadino attacks.

But for lofo voters like you, I guess that crap works.


82 posted on 01/15/2016 8:11:23 PM PST by parksstp ("Truth is NOT Rhetoric" - Sen. Ted Cruz (The obvious conservative choice for POTUS))
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“We shall see.”

And I DEFINITELY agree with that remark! The polls in the coming week will tell the tale about who here correctly predicted what. And it’ll be fun to find out! (If only to see who owns up to being wrong and who tries to slink away.)


83 posted on 01/15/2016 8:31:35 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: TBBT
I think so. Anyone who isn't a demagogue for a liberal NYC grifter knows what New York values are.
84 posted on 01/15/2016 8:42:26 PM PST by demshateGod (Trump for press secretary! Cruz for president!)
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To: Pravious
FR used to be conservative and people trolling for liberals were zotted. Therefore it makes sense that a lot of people would be here supporting the only conservative.
85 posted on 01/15/2016 8:45:40 PM PST by demshateGod (Trump for press secretary! Cruz for president!)
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To: demshateGod
New York City Values on display:

They elected Hillary and Schumer as their Senators! If the vote is looked at New York City did this, not up state New York, just New York City.

86 posted on 01/15/2016 9:01:30 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: TBBT

yep. Trumps leftwing history has been dismissed by trumpsters and now the other voters will see who trump is...a leftwing conman


87 posted on 01/15/2016 9:43:42 PM PST by RginTN
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To: catnipman

“And I DEFINITELY agree with that remark! The polls in the coming week will tell the tale about who here correctly predicted what. And it’ll be fun to find out! (If only to see who owns up to being wrong and who tries to slink away.)”

You are the one who predicted anything. I predicted nothing. ;-)


88 posted on 01/15/2016 10:12:17 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

No knock on Trump, but Cruz is probably in the top 5% of legal scholars in this country so he probably knows whether he is qualified to be President.
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If Cruz is the top 5% of legal scholars, it seems odd to me that he did not “discover” that he was a Canadian citizen until 2013.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20131228-ted-cruz-says-hes-hired-lawyers-to-renounce-canadian-citizenship.ece

We are to believe that Ted Cruz, brilliant legal mind, has been wandering around providing his Canadian birth certificate as proof of identity, for his whole life and yet it never flickered in his mind that he was a Canadian? He said he learned he was a dual citizen in “The Dallas Morning News”

Who believes that?


89 posted on 01/16/2016 1:44:56 AM PST by GeaugaRepublican (Angry yes, mad, no.)
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To: Glad2bnuts

New York City to me politically is Hillary Clinton, Bella Abzug, Anthony Wiener, Madeline not so Bright, Bloomberg and Trump. All politicians from that part of the State are progressives, liberals, socialists, communists or budding tyrants. Someone tell me the last pol from that place who was conservative, smaller government, strict Constitutionalist...any?
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He’s not a politician but don’t forget, Antonin Scalia. Damn New York liberals!


90 posted on 01/16/2016 1:48:27 AM PST by GeaugaRepublican (Angry yes, mad, no.)
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To: jwalsh07
Go take a stroll through Fort Apache, Bed Sty or the projects in the eastern Bronx some night

What? NYC has some bad neighborhoods, I didn't know that.;-)

Or for that matter, just take a stroll through Central Park at night.

91 posted on 01/16/2016 3:15:58 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light - John Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: TBBT

Cruz is now running against New York City Values, not Donald Trump.

Which do Republican Primary Voters support:

New York City Values or Consistent Conservatism?


92 posted on 01/16/2016 5:24:08 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (New York City Values or Consistent Conservatism: Where do you stand?)
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To: demshateGod

“FR used to be conservative and people trolling for liberals were zotted. Therefore it makes sense that a lot of people would be here supporting the only conservative.”

That sounds reasonable until you make the pronouncement that Cruz is “the only conservative.”

I’ve heard dozens of Trump speeches and haven’t heard one word of his mouth that isn’t conservative.

And I don’t mean going back to 1999 to pull some quote.


93 posted on 01/16/2016 5:56:24 AM PST by Pravious
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Over here ping.


94 posted on 01/16/2016 5:59:01 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: RoosterRedux
New York is America's heart.

No it's not...

95 posted on 01/16/2016 5:59:12 AM PST by kjam22
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To: Awgie

he crushed DT instantly on the birther thing and he will win this fight too. You see, NY values are what they are, and they are liberal, and they are politically correct, and they are not shared by the country. The response to 9-11 was not a NY value, it was a rare occaision when NYers shared American values.

You will be humiliated long term on this, guaranteed........truth is what it is....


96 posted on 01/16/2016 6:12:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: kabar

he’s not trying to un ring it ......he’s ringing it more and more and more, and the more he rings it, the more people understand that NY values are Schumer, DeBlasio, Bloomberg, Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Peter King, pro abort, pro gay marriage and pro the entireLGBT agenda, pro political correctness.....

Bring it on.....you think you won the first round (and maybe you did) - but you will NOT win the long battle, because NY values ARE WHAT THEY ARE and they are liberal, statist, elitist, period.


97 posted on 01/16/2016 6:14:23 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: GeaugaRepublican

do you think Scalia likes NY values?

do you think Cruz likes Harvard values?

Why are you so insecure as to admit that some places have lousy overall values, even as there are a few good people in them?


98 posted on 01/16/2016 6:16:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: RoosterRedux; CatherineofAragon; Servant of the Cross; Lakeshark; xzins; Colonel_Flagg; ...
New York is America's heart.

WATCH ROOSTER SLOW ROAST HIMSELF TO DEATH PING!!!

wow Rooster, you stepped in it here. Which is the part of America's heart do you like about NY? Voting for Obama 93%? Senator Schumer? Senator Clinton? Partial birth abortion? Banning guns? No salt or big sodas in restaurants? corrupt unions in and out of government? Supporting TARP? Supporting Stimulus? Supporting the auto bail outs? Supporting Obama Care? The Soprano mindset? (right across the river)...hating the south? I mean come on big yankee, tell us what part of NY is America's heart????

99 posted on 01/16/2016 6:22:15 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The sting of Trumps devastating response to Trump lingers because it caused Cruz to suffer perhaps the most embarrassing moment of any debate.

Cruz walked into it like a fool. I am amazed that he chose the NY Values tactic to neutralize Trump. It was lame foolish and easily defended.

Trump again demonstrated why he appears as a man among children with his powerful retort that left Cruz no option but to look at Donald, smile and APPLAUD!

CRUZ GOT SCHLONGED!


100 posted on 01/16/2016 6:24:34 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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