Posted on 02/17/2016 6:13:36 PM PST by AlienCrossfirePlayer
An Open Memo To Lou Dobbs
As CEO, Tim Cooks obligation is to execute the corporate mission. Briefly stated, a corporation must deliver product to customers and return on investment to shareholders. It is not his job to make the nation secure from geo-political terrorism. Your suggestion that Mr. Cook will be culpable when another attack occurs was a stinking cheap shot. Obama has the job of making us secure and is failing us. Today on the sister network Fox News Channel, Obama was heard calling for improved cyber security. Do you see an irony?
By resisting encroachment by the courts, Mr. Cook is executing the corporate mission. Apples customers dont want their data to be made less secure. Apples investors dont want their research dollars to be wasted. In short courts are demanding that Apple degrade its very excellent product. Leave Apple alone. American citizens want their private data to remain secure.
Ben Franklin: He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
We understand the law, you just don’t understand the technologies. All this has been covered in about two thousand other threads by now. Look em up.
They is no "balanced solution." The FBI wants Apple to write a new iOS to bypass the security on this phone, install it, and then hand the phone back to the FBI. Then the FBI will crack it using brute-force methods. Apple can't break it for the FBI, because that creates chain of evidence problems that would render the info inadmissible in court. Once the FBI has the hacked phone, they can get the firmware off of the phone and use it whenever they like. There is no middle ground in this judicial order.
“We are handing terrorists and lawbreakers all over the world free leg up the cops.”
You could say the same thing about guns.
I prefer free countries, you prefer police states, which always devolve to tyrannies.
In free countries, crime happens more and probably more terrorism is possible too.
However, tyrants have killed far more civilian people than criminals and terrorists have.
Hard to believe you’re a U.S. citizen, however, if your “republican for now” tagline indicates you were recently democrat, that would go some way to explaining your love and trust of the state.
Well yes a search warrant is a search warrant. The problem is this is NOT Apples property. The government can't force a third party to conduct a search. That's the government's problem. The phone was legally manufactured and SOLD by Apple and they no longer own it.
“You could say the same thing about guns.”
Well, no you can’t. And we weren’t discussing that amendment or the possession of firearms. Bu now I understand you are unable to comprehend simple sentences. The tagline refers to Trump, aand the number of time he has changed parties.
If the Fourth Amendment is no good to the government because the (non-physical) evidence cannot be produced with a warrant, and is no good to citizens because the evidence can easily be placed where it is not attainable- what purpose does the Fourth Amendment serve?
And in a world without the Fourth Amendment how will evidence be obtained and papers protected?
This isn’t happening in a vacuum. ‘Un-openable’ safes are
not accounted for in our Common Law history because they have never existed before. I don’t want them accounted for now in a way that upsets the balance achieved over the centuries.
The last refuge of the loser. Change the subject, throw some insult, act superior. see you around, Skippy.
True enough, but the encryption technology is Apple property.
If the much vaunted FBI, not to mention the anti-hackers in the NSA and God only knows other Federal Agencies can’t hack a goddamned Iphone 5C without Tim Cooks help, they need to RESIGN.
Bunch of useless bastards.
With a rainbow table and a few minutes on an old laptop it could be done. Heck you’d probably only need a few gig of storage for the table (if that) for a 4 digit pass code that is numeric only.
“render the info inadmissible in court”
Except the “defendants”, in this case, are already dead. There will be no trial.
The info they want is for intel purposes.
“see you around, Skippy.”
Ah, so you’re under 25.
That explains it.
“If you understood the Constitution and you believed in the rule of law, you would say this was laughable on the part of Apple, and walk away. But you don’t. You’re a poser. Technology is no excuse for enabling the Constitution to be run over. Apple should issue a recall, fix the problem and STFU.
Correct again. You are a marvel.
To repeat a point in the main post: Obama called for improved cyber security. I don’t like to agree with Obama, but he’s right on that point. The court order militates against this worthwhile goal. And citizens should object to yet another intrusion by big government.
Yes. If needed it would clearly be ‘in furtherence’ of the court’s search warrant.
However giving that device to the police to possess would go beyond the needs of the court.
Apple will apparently claim that the first cannot be done without the second, I don’t believe that is true.
“To repeat a point in the main post: Obama called for improved cyber security. I don’t like to agree with Obama, but he’s right on that point. The court order militates against this worthwhile goal.”
Screw Obama. The Court issued a lawful warrant to search. If Apple doesn’t comply, they should be prepared to face whatever penalties and fines will apply. The warrant was specific to this phone and this phone only. If you don’t care about the Constitution, change it. Obama does. You aren’t Obama. Or is that what you like about this stupid position, that it further destroys the fabric of our society? We can’t pick which laws to ignore.
Not a bad analogy. Imagine if the ceo of verizon, when faced with a secret warrant from the fisa court, for all our phone records had said no. What would they do? A secret arrest and a secret trial...followed by incareation in a secret prison?
If they aren’t trying to connect this attack to other people, why do they need the phone? Those would be the future defendants, Einstein...
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