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Why didn't Rubio and Carson hang in there after they were mathematically eliminated?

Posted on 04/22/2016 12:47:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Well, for one thing, it would be counterproductive. With three, four or five candidates drawing delegates, it simply prevents anyone from getting to 1237 and ensures that the GOPe gets to install one of their own establishment guys at the convention. The malleable "rules" are designed to to preserve, protect and defend the establishment ruling class. Nothing more.

Cruz knows this. He has betrayed the grassroots.


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; cruz; cruzrhymeswithlose; elections; establishment; jimwasrigthin2011; rules
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To: Jim Robinson

The GOPe hates the conservative wing worse than they hate DJT. They hitched thier wagon on Cruz to see if they could at least arm twist Trump. It hasn’t worked.

I predicted (so far I have been corect) that after NY, the GOPe would use Cruz to inoculate themselves from the conservative wing of the party. They don’t want to fight the dems on abortion and gay marriage. Cruz and his supporters will be painted as right wing extremists. They will then be marginalized.

The longer Cruz stays in, the worse it will be for the conservative cause.

My second prediction is DJT will nominate Rand Paul as his running mate.


41 posted on 04/22/2016 1:34:16 PM PDT by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: sargon
Crickets.

The Cruzer speaks...

Three possibilities. The first possibility is that something happens to Trump that renders him incapable of running: anything from assassination to a stroke to a (no pun intended, not trumped up) Federal indictment. If Cruz is out of the running, that leaves the GOP only squishy establishment candidates.

The second possibility--not probability, mind you, but a possibility--is that Trump steps in it in a way that forces even his supporters to disown him, so that he either suspends his own campaign, or comes to Cleveland as damaged goods. Again, if Cruz is out of the running, that leaves the GOP only squishy establishment candidates.

The third, and most likely possibility--again, not probability, possibility--is that Cruz end-runs Trump in Cleveland, winning on the second or third ballot, just as Abraham Lincoln end-ran Seward in 1860 and won on the third ballot. At that point, Trump would have a choice to make, whether he was more concerned about himself or about the nation, and whether he was willing to support Cruz or split off third-party and ensure Her Highness becoming the next President.

All of the above are possibilities. The probability is that Trump will obtain the nomination, and there is no question in my mind that Cruz, and most Cruzers, will support him in the general election. But it is better to have Cruz as Plan B rather than Kasich, or White Knight.

42 posted on 04/22/2016 1:35:24 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz is now running against the voters. Cruz would have no legitimacy as the nominee after he disenfranchised the will of the voters with backroom shenanigans.


43 posted on 04/22/2016 1:35:47 PM PDT by niki
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To: Jim Robinson

Add to that the cost involved in trying to sustain an obvious losing campaign..............


44 posted on 04/22/2016 1:36:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Jim Robinson

Not insane?


45 posted on 04/22/2016 1:36:55 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands)
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To: Jim Robinson


"You're an unprincipled man, Ted."
46 posted on 04/22/2016 1:39:32 PM PDT by Rastus (The next president will be Trump or Hillary. Vote accordingly.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed.


47 posted on 04/22/2016 1:42:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Kasich is a pure spoiler, staying in the race to take votes from Trump.

Cruz Stays in because he believes the GOPe will give him the nomination after denying it to Trump. Cruz is wrong, of course. The GOPe will drop him like a hot rock after he helps block Trump from the nomination, giving the nomination to Bush, Ryan, or another GOPe puppet.

Both are being made big promises & given plenty of campaign cash to stay in the Race, all to thwart the will of the people.


48 posted on 04/22/2016 1:42:13 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Carson had enough brains to get out early and cut a deal. Rubio, well, he probably missed the SoBe foam parties.


49 posted on 04/22/2016 1:43:41 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: unlearner
Is it too late to hope for a Trump-Cruz ticket?

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Probably. There's just too much bad blood between Trump and Cruz, as well as between their supporters.

50 posted on 04/22/2016 1:44:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: navymom1

Yes, I think Kasich is going for the VP slot and hoping that Trump ends up short so he can push him over with the agreement that he is VP.


51 posted on 04/22/2016 1:46:12 PM PDT by PJBankard (Political Correctness has killed America. It is time America is resurrected.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I totally agree. Trump is the only candidate in my lifetime (I’m 61) that has been able to do it alone (though he will need a unified GOP to win the general), the next closest was Reagan. Trump is not the perfect conservative we all have yearned for, but he is America first and will do many of the things that we conservatives have wanted for a longtime. We cannot survive 8 more years of Obama’s surrogate proxy-president.


52 posted on 04/22/2016 1:48:02 PM PDT by Quicksilver
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To: Jim Robinson
The rules are set by the delegates elected at the conventions. The Cruz campaign is doing its part to get delegates in place to uphold rule 40b.

I have no confidence in Trump's efforts do far.

53 posted on 04/22/2016 1:51:36 PM PDT by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson

That is the spirit of the primary system, when one is mathematically eliminated they drop out, they don’t plot to drag the Party into a convention battle.


54 posted on 04/22/2016 1:54:40 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: HopeSprings
He has plenty of funding from the Establishment.

But that will dry up as Trump is seen as the true nominee.

55 posted on 04/22/2016 1:55:25 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: PJBankard; Jim Robinson

What if you could see the future and saw Trump take Kasich as VP? Or Jim Webb? Would you then wish Cruz had stayed in?


56 posted on 04/22/2016 1:56:43 PM PDT by txhurl (There goes Unity.)
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To: Axeslinger
Well, tell me how Cruz as President is going to save the nation.

What polices is he going to implement.

57 posted on 04/22/2016 1:56:50 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Red Steel

The “country” will be a globalism playpen with Cruz where any conservatism will be diminished to a path of non-existence.


Agree 100%


58 posted on 04/22/2016 1:58:28 PM PDT by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: chajin

All you’ve done is explain how Cruz could seize the nomination. None of those issues address how he handles low voter enthusiasm, the splintering of the party, and other negative effects.

In all of the cases you described, the GOP loses handily, and the Dems pretty much destroy he country. We know how Cruz could do it, but the question is how could he do it without handing the Dems a landslide at every level in November?

Here’s the answer: He can’t.


59 posted on 04/22/2016 1:58:52 PM PDT by Velvet_Jones
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To: Agamemnon
There were no primaries in Lincoln's day!

Conventions were run by the political insider's.

To win the nomination, the nominee had to make countless deals to pay off the Party leaders in the States.

Lincoln was greatly vexed by the promises made by his campaign leaders that he had to fulfill after he was elected President.

60 posted on 04/22/2016 1:59:32 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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