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Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in 'most severe ever' rationing in the NHS
Telegraph UK ^

Posted on 09/03/2016 9:39:13 AM PDT by ameribbean expat

Obese people will be routinely refused operations across the NHS, health service bosses have warned, after one authority said it would limit procedures on an unprecedented scale.

Hospital leaders in North Yorkshire said that patients with a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or above – as well as smokers – will be barred from most surgery for up to a year amid increasingly desperate measures to plug a funding black hole. The restrictions will apply to standard hip and knee operations.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: doctor; insurance; nhs; obama; obamacarefuture; obesity; smoking; socializedmedicine; uk
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The British NHS was held up as as the Ideal model for ObamaCare.

The entire British health care system is collapsing and quality health care is dead in the UK

41 posted on 09/03/2016 10:59:49 AM PDT by rdcbn ("There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alt)
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To: butlerweave
You pay your taxes so someone else will get your surgery

You get what is behind door #3

The Death Panel

42 posted on 09/03/2016 11:00:17 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There are private hospitals and doctors in the UK.


43 posted on 09/03/2016 11:00:19 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: ameribbean expat
But it was such a smash at the Olympic opening ceremonies in 2012.


44 posted on 09/03/2016 11:00:22 AM PDT by xp38
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To: Drango
Don't forget the lard a$$es also. Nothing worse than a stinking fat smokers. Might as well just euthanize them. In all honestly I would rather deal with smokers than the stink of rolls of sweaty flab on someone who obviously can't wash or wipe their own butts.

Yet we treat bug chasing queers and gender confused and hepatitis druggies and goat humping muzzles and politicians with addictions to other people's money. Let's not forget the women with kids from 6 different fathers, retards, inherited diseases ...

Where to draw the line? Let's form a committee and waste more funding on that.

45 posted on 09/03/2016 11:01:29 AM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: FewsOrange

Which is probably the only reason it doesn’t completely flop over dead.


46 posted on 09/03/2016 11:03:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ameribbean expat

Next up: wrong answers to political questions get you flagged as crazy, and the mentally ill are both denied guns and priority in healthcare


47 posted on 09/03/2016 11:04:23 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Chickensoup

I was at the eye doctor this week and say checks for diabetes and smoking. I said I understood that some people don’t get diagnosed for diabetes until they come in for vision problems, but why the verification for smoking?
Apparently the eye doctors are told to report if the person has either condition to the health insurer now.


48 posted on 09/03/2016 11:05:43 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Drango

I wonder if the same biases against cigarette smoking for healthcare will be applied to those using medical marijuana.


49 posted on 09/03/2016 11:06:26 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I guess I need to go off an die, then. I am obese. I calorie count and am exercising. I am trying to lose weight. My doctor actually has said some people hold onto weight and their bodies fight losing it. But, to all those out there, I guess, I am just a fat,lazy, slob who should not receive medical treatment. Now, I find out, I am also a bad influence, dang.


50 posted on 09/03/2016 11:07:32 AM PDT by ozaukeemom (If we continue to divide, they will conquer!)
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To: ozaukeemom
Now, I find out, I am also a bad influence, dang.

You are, because rather than doing push ups and bodyweight squats you are giving me a sob story. Let's hope that others who are more impressionable don't copy this behavior.

51 posted on 09/03/2016 11:12:27 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Nuke Saudi Arabia now)
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To: ozaukeemom

If I had to have surgery I wouldn’t want to weigh what I do now. The risks are lower the better fit the patient is.
I am only 190 lbs at 6’


52 posted on 09/03/2016 11:14:11 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: ameribbean expat

First they came for the obese.

Then they came for the smokers.

Then...


53 posted on 09/03/2016 11:16:40 AM PDT by DPMD (o)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

fat people should be taxed and so should drinkers and weedsters and people that don’t wear their seat belts and people that have their little puppies on their laps while driving and people that listen to conservative talk radio and people that go on FR..../sarcasm/


54 posted on 09/03/2016 11:16:58 AM PDT by cherry
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To: ameribbean expat

Not surprised.

Normally they will not do surgery on people for elective issues unless all their numbers look good. Anasthesia problems are a lot more tricky and they just dont want anyone dying on a non critical operation.

Doing it for fiscal reasons if people can pay, that is another issue. In England their setups a bit different as they may not be able to get it done privately even if they can pay.


55 posted on 09/03/2016 11:17:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ameribbean expat

The NHS is what the Lefties always hold up as their role model for socialized medicine.


56 posted on 09/03/2016 11:18:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: ameribbean expat

NHS is a pseudonym for single-payer, just like the Lieberals want.


57 posted on 09/03/2016 11:19:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: ozaukeemom

We are finding that some obesity is determined by which population(s) of gut bacteria people have. Our gut bacteria control us. The wrong kind create powerful cravings for the foods they want, as well as very sick feelings when they die off (migraines, upset stomach, malaise). They have already done fecal transplants to show that switching the gut bugs changes a person’s obesity status. One day there will be a better way.

Definitely add (slowly) more good fermented veggies etc to your diet, and expose yourself to good bacteria from good soil (like eating beans or tomatoes from a good garden, not scrubbing them, just brushing them off). Avoid sugary things. One day there will be probiotic “medicines, that will help. Until then, get some good probiotic foods in you.


58 posted on 09/03/2016 11:23:26 AM PDT by Yaelle (Liberals, you're not tolerant unless you are comfortable with diversity of opinion.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"The fact is that,everything else being equal,an obese person is a worse surgical risk that is one who's not....ditto with smokers vs non-smokers"

lets add to the list to be fair...homosexuals....pot smokers...narcotic users and illegal drug users...people that don't exercise...people that have diabetes...people that have kidney disease...people with COPD...people with cancer...people that are elderly...people who are anorexic or bulimic...people that are stupid...people that can't follow directions...

oh sure, its okay to exclude the obese from surgeries, but the day is coming, maybe its already here, where if you reach age 75 any surgery will be questioned by the elites....

people....watch what you wish for...watch what you allow them to do to others because it WILL get around to you...

59 posted on 09/03/2016 11:23:34 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cgbg

No, but smoking can affect how quickly someone heals from the surgeries. A friend had a couple of surgeries on her neck due to degenerative disc disease. Her surgeon advised her to stop smoking. After her first surgery, she didn’t and it slowed her healing significantly. She gave up her habit before her second surgery and healed much faster.


60 posted on 09/03/2016 11:24:00 AM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5, 2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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