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The bad economics of Trump's Carrier deal
The Week ^ | 12/01/2016 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 12/01/2016 1:04:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

So... how’s that 15$ min wage working out?


41 posted on 12/01/2016 1:31:09 PM PST by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Alberta's Child

The glow of Trump on the horizon has a lot to do with it. They know the bureaucratic B.S. and would love to see that stricken off of their agendas.


42 posted on 12/01/2016 1:32:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: VaeVictis

It’s a wonderful way of getting rid of businesses that can’t afford that much. Other than this? Not so hot.


43 posted on 12/01/2016 1:33:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Disregard markets, disregard profits, disregard competition and do what’s popular with the masses using statist approach to economics. I believe that would be the idea. This deal looks good for America and American workers. But the principle is not capitalism; it’s not property rights. It’s not possible without the state stepping in to make sure it happens. Applaud this model if you wish and remember that the consumer gets screwed and less efficient plants and capitalist flourish through connections to the US government, not by the market where the price wins.


44 posted on 12/01/2016 1:35:36 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ha ha ha. Trying to present this as a loss.

The Week is suffering massive butt hurt.


45 posted on 12/01/2016 1:37:21 PM PST by SoFloFreeper (Isaiah 25:8)
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To: elhombrelibre

How stupid do you sound? The country became an industrial power house behind a wall of tariffs and protectionism. But since the gloBULList Free Trader took over we are on a disastrous track to de industrialize the USA. Patriots will never let that happen. Take a hike bub.


46 posted on 12/01/2016 1:38:47 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: exit82
I'm glad Trump did this. But the hidden costs of keeping these jobs will have to be paid for with:

Federal and State Tax Revenues
Incrementally higher costs for Carrier products

Multiplied by a factor of 1 these will hardly be noticed.
Multiplied by a factor 10,000 your pocket book will start to notice.

Is it worth it?
Maybe. Probably. Most Freepers believe so. Full or at least fuller employment is a benefit to a society that cannot simply be measured in dollar and cents terms.

But a certain benefit of keeping the jobs at home (despite the somewhat higher prices we will pay) is the fun of watching the Dems suffer the angst that results as they watch the Trump political stock grow. And grow. And grow.

It's your bed Dems. You made it. Sweet dreams.

47 posted on 12/01/2016 1:38:57 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. About time.)
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To: elhombrelibre

What’s statist? Donald says “hold the fort, for help is coming.” If Donald was just beating on them by force to stay (as he facetiously said about the Oreo manufacturer) we would have a different picture.


48 posted on 12/01/2016 1:39:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: InterceptPoint

The problem with the existing paradigm was that the state was trying to get more and more milk out of a group of fewer and fewer cows.

As greenies say, that is not sustainable.


49 posted on 12/01/2016 1:41:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: InterceptPoint

So you are under the impression Carrier was going to LOWER their price of the Mexican made products? What rube you are. Since when is a tax cut a cost? When did Conservatives go off the rails?


50 posted on 12/01/2016 1:43:19 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

It will be interesting to see how many business in the state will want the tax cut.

If Trump isn’t going to impose the tariff, I would announce a move to Mexico and cut my taxes.


51 posted on 12/01/2016 1:45:39 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

We do not know the details yet.


52 posted on 12/01/2016 1:46:48 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I’m for freedom. Free markets. Free people. If you want governments to pick winners, then you’ve more in common with Hillary. That’s why she gets paid off.


53 posted on 12/01/2016 1:47:24 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently the “tax break” is worth in the neighborhood of $7K per job. $7 million, 1,000 jobs. (This is just preliminary yakking, I have not examined the deal in depth)

If anyone thinks that a group of $50K/year employees are not going to spend $10K/year on average locally, they are delusional. That’s *after* taxes on the employees.

Solyndra cost $550 MM and produced at its peak 1250 jobs of which not one currently exists. That would be $440K per no-longer-existing job.

Somebody needs to STFU. Or as BJ Clinton once said, “don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good”.

Let’s also ignore, while we’re at it, the effect of getting this movement going. Throw 200-300 other Fortune 1000 companies into the mix and you’ll have 300-400K jobs brought back to the US.

Yeah, I know, that would suck.


54 posted on 12/01/2016 1:48:10 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (I had a cool idea for a new tagline and I forgot it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m sorry. I’m not sure what your point is.


55 posted on 12/01/2016 1:49:10 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

James Pethokoukis I bet a box of donuts this fruitcake thought Solyndra was wonderful.


56 posted on 12/01/2016 1:49:53 PM PST by IC Ken
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To: SeekAndFind

Corporate taxes are pass-thru items.


57 posted on 12/01/2016 1:51:28 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #MyPresident #MAGA)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, according to this jackass, a State giving tax incentives to keep a business is the same thing as the United States Government giving away BILLIONS of dollars of actual cash UPFRONT to failing companies?!?

Wow, I would have thought that such a stretch would be hard, even for a Leftist Liberal...apparently, I was wrong!


58 posted on 12/01/2016 1:51:56 PM PST by ExTxMarine (Public sector unions: A & B agreeing on a contract to screw C!)
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To: IC Ken

RE: James Pethokoukis I bet a box of donuts this fruitcake thought Solyndra was wonderful.

I know for a fact that he is one of its most staunches critics. I hear him on the radio every Saturday on the Larry Kudlow show.


59 posted on 12/01/2016 1:52:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: elhombrelibre

Maybe you’ve got your sight blocked by the presumption that the movement that brought in Trump had to be statist somehow? Rather than simply state-preserving?


60 posted on 12/01/2016 1:52:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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