Posted on 07/31/2017 7:11:43 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
Don Hall was sitting in his living room watching TV with his girlfriend about 9:30 p.m. earlier this year when he was startled by flashing police car lights in his driveway.
Hall met the Oneida County sheriff's deputies in the driveway, worried that they were bringing bad news about a family member.
Instead, the deputies produced an official document demanding that Hall, a 70-year-old Vietnam veteran who is a retired pipefitter, turn over his guns to them on the spot. On the document Hall said he was described as "mentally defective."
When Hall told police he'd never had any mental issues, Hall said, deputies told him he must have done something that triggered the order under the New York state's SAFE Act.
The deputies left that night with six guns - two handguns and four long guns.
Hall, who lives in the Oneida County hamlet of Taberg, hired a lawyer and secured affidavits from local hospitals to prove he hadn't been recently treated...Eventually, his lawyer convinced a judge that authorities had him confused with someone else who had sought care and that his weapons should never have been seized.
To this day, no one at a hospital or the state and local agencies involved in taking Hall's guns has admitted to Hall that a mistake was made, explained what happened or apologized....
Hall said the only time he had been a patient at any of the hospitals was four years ago when he had a sleep apnea test...
(Hall's lawyer) believes another patient from Oneida County with Hall's name was treated at the hospital and flagged for a mental health issue. Somehow that man's Social Security number got mixed up with Hall's, thus creating the error, the lawyer said.
(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...
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“Somehow that man’s Social Security number got mixed up with Hall’s, thus creating the error, the lawyer said.”
DONT GIVE ANYONE YOUR SSN. Police have no business with it.
No business has a legal reason to have it.
Credit reporting goons have to be shut down. The SSN cards we all have if we are over 50 say “Not for Identification”
All of the people along the chain of command in taking Don Hall's guns without just cause should have their jobs confiscated from them for demonstrating beyond a doubt their own incompetence to properly work at it.
Well, if Mr. Hall was as “mentally defective” as the legal document says he was, he should have “forgotten” where he kept his guns.
And it is not uncommon for “mentally defective” folks to lose all their guns in boating accidents.
Two side questions:
1. If a person judged “mentally defective” without the benefit of a hearing of any sort, does he lose his other Constitutional rights as well? Since this is New York, I’d guess yes, but only if Mr. Hall is a registered Republican.
2. Did the deputies have a valid search warrant? If not, Mr. Hall should have politely told them to get off his property.
I remember reading of a man who had his mint collection of firearms illegally confiscated for some reason. When the police tok the firearms, the threw them in a pile, scratching and denting them something terrible.
When he got them back several months later, they were so rusted up they had no value as collector’s items at all.
Yeah, the 2nd amendment says this man can have guns as well.
Why wait until 9:30pm to serve this on a 70 year old vet? Was it an emergency situation or did everyone just need a little overtime?
I think it was a “test”, not so dry run. What will we submit to..
I would give them 3 strikes, after which they are terminated. Hall should also be compensated from department funds for his time, attorney fees, and any other damages that make sense. It is the deficient clerks hired as part of the govey agencies. There needs to be cross-checking software to reduce/eliminate these instances.
“DONT GIVE ANYONE YOUR SSN. Police have no business with it.
No business has a legal reason to have it.”
That’s fine, as long as you can get by without little things like a driver’s license, or being admitted to that hospital, etc., etc.
Meanwhile, hardened criminals are allowed to keep their guns, so they can waltz right in and take what is “rightfully” theirs from their “oppressors”.
The left is deliberately leaving guns in the hands of violent criminals.
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> Why wait until 9:30pm to serve this on a 70 year old vet? <
Great question. When cops make decisions like that, they’re just risking a tragedy, and for no good reason.
When the average person hears an unexpected knock on the door after dark, they often go into crisis mode. And that’s when bad things can happen.
You dont need to go to the hospital. lol
Its useful to get a drivers license but not necessary either.
DON’T GIVE ANYONE YOUR GUNS.
FIFY
No one will admit error because to do so would invite a lawsuit.
It sure was necessary to get a New Mexico driver’s license when I moved there in 2000. They would not even accept a U.S. passport as identification.
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