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To: vooch

Sadly, in our haste to be freedom loving we have lost the ability to actually study the law. Your post is the best example from the 5 or 6 criticizing my statement.

Lay persons think that it is the order from LE that has to be lawful. Not so.

It is the lawfulness of the LEO that determines whether a citizen has to comply.

Most of you above are too stupid to get the difference. Well meaning, but stupid.

Let me see if this will help.

If a police officer is properly sworn in, on duty in the jurisdiction of his employment, directing traffic, he is acting lawfully.

And, if he instructs you to drive over the double yellow line (which is illegal) or turn off your headlights, or step out of the car leaving it on the highway in a lane of traffic, he is giving you a “lawful order.” Now, his orders may turn out to be wrong later, but it is not the substance of the order that a citizen may test. It is the authority of the office to give the order.

OK, all cleared up folks?


110 posted on 09/02/2017 5:02:39 AM PDT by anton
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To: anton

you are so incredibly wrong and so staggeringly unamerican.


112 posted on 09/02/2017 5:10:09 AM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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To: anton

Keep digging.


116 posted on 09/02/2017 5:13:39 AM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smart-ass disorder.)
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To: anton

Ive tried to explain this before. Never works out. Lol


133 posted on 09/02/2017 6:48:01 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: anton

Didn’t work so well at Nuremberg. Must be a lawful order to be valid. The fine points of the law were already in agreement between medical and law enforcement services for procedures. The officer acted in violation of law and precedent.

Roid rage type behavior is not acceptable when a narrow exception to police authority exists, which results in frustration to an officers goals.


146 posted on 09/02/2017 9:07:29 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: anton

Traffic laws are not the same as those which relate to our person. You are trying to conflate what’s “lawful” at a traffic stop, with the federal laws which are supreme to state and local traffic laws. Sorry you are still dumber than a box of rocks.


171 posted on 09/02/2017 11:52:16 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: anton

What department are you with?


191 posted on 09/02/2017 2:45:13 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: anton

Stop diggin, son.


193 posted on 09/02/2017 3:00:59 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: anton; vooch
Sadly, in our haste to be freedom loving we have lost the ability to actually study the law. Your post is the best example from the 5 or 6 criticizing my statement.

Lay persons think that it is the order from LE that has to be lawful. Not so. It is the lawfulness of the LEO that determines whether a citizen has to comply.

Let me see if this will help. If a police officer is properly sworn in, on duty in the jurisdiction of his employment, directing traffic, he is acting lawfully. And, if he instructs you to drive over the double yellow line (which is illegal) or turn off your headlights, or step out of the car leaving it on the highway in a lane of traffic, he is giving you a “lawful order.” Now, his orders may turn out to be wrong later, but it is not the substance of the order that a citizen may test. It is the authority of the office to give the order.

OK, all cleared up folks?

Absolutely! It's all cleared up! So, if the lawfully sworn in and in his jurisdiction, his Lawfullness allows him to tell you to commit lawless acts.

Therefore if he orders you to take a firearm and kill someone, it's perfectly lawful. If he orders you to rape a young girl, it's perfectly lawful.

All cleared up now!

248 posted on 09/03/2017 3:30:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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So, LT Calley was just following a lawful order to murder after all, even though it wasn't and was also morally and ethically wrong. Got it.

Glad that's all cleared up.

250 posted on 09/03/2017 3:39:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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