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California could vote on separating into 3 states in November
UPI ^ | 13APR18 | Ray Downs

Posted on 04/13/2018 4:15:30 AM PDT by vannrox

April 13 (UPI) -- A venture capitalist billionaire said he received enough signatures to get a measure on California's November ballot that asks voters if they want to split California into three states.

Tim Draper, the chairman of Cal 3, the organization pushing the measure, said they've obtained more than 600,000 signatures -- nearly twice the number needed to get on a state ballot -- and will present them to the California Secretary of State for verification.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: caleavefornia; calexit; california; split; yescalifornia
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To: vannrox
If it happens and however it's divided, the lower state will become ultra-left.

They will enact every uber-liberal program they can imagine.

When illegals are given the right to vote or citizenship will they vote to become part of Mexico?

Will there be a fight between Mexican Americans who want to remain on the US gravy train or will the majority vote to become Aztaland?

Many possibilities. Many possible outcomes.

It will be a fascinating case study and will serve as a real-life, real-time example of liberalism at work.

41 posted on 04/13/2018 6:20:59 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: WildHighlander57
Given that the US Congress wouldn’t agree, and the governor is flouting federal immigration law, does this mean that, if the proposition passes in November, that Calif would then be in a state of rebellion and secession from the US?

Approving a referendum to divide up the state has nothing to do with whether or not California is in rebellion. It is one of the constitutional steps necessary for such a division to occur, and therefore is wholly constitutional.

The state's reaction when congress refuses to grant its consent might determine whether or not the state is in a state of rebellion, though.

42 posted on 04/13/2018 6:23:03 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: tet68

If the constitutional process for dividing an existing state is followed then the new states will by definition be part of the union. There will be no need to apply.


43 posted on 04/13/2018 6:25:08 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill.)
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To: pepsionice

San Diego isn’t Conservative anymore........


44 posted on 04/13/2018 6:25:16 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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They need to lump That coastal strip starting just north of Orange County stretching to just north of Oakland into one. The rest including San Diego and the rest of the state can be a new state......call it Jeffersonia.


45 posted on 04/13/2018 6:29:52 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Keywords Caleavefornia, Calexit, Yes California, sorted, de-dup'ed. Oh, and I moved the Russia topics to the top of this list. Thanks vannrox.

46 posted on 04/13/2018 6:41:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: super7man

>>Extra senators will most likely be Republican.

Republican is not the opposite of Progressive these days—in fact, it never was, but we couldn’t see it becuase the Progs hid well. The person with the big money backing will win and the Progressive wing of the GOP has lots of money.


47 posted on 04/13/2018 6:43:44 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: ScottinVA

Not so much SF. They’re geographically limited and will never have more than 800-900K population. It’s the rest of the Bay Area. It’s been a while since I looked, but last time I did it was about 9M in population, rock solid rat territory. The conservative hinterland would be every bit as drowned out as they are today


48 posted on 04/13/2018 6:45:19 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ( 1,000 Posts as of 8/11/17! Still not shutting up after all these years!)
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To: cba123
Though San Francisco is in it, I think. So I think that one would still be very liberal.

It would wind up being another Massachusetts...and about the same size, maybe.

Boston and environs within the Rt. 128 belt...very Liberal. Outside of there, a large number of Conservative towns and communities. But not large enough to overcome the stink within Rt. 128.

49 posted on 04/13/2018 6:47:30 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perhaps we should care less about who we may offend and care more about who we may inspire.)
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To: ScottinVA
I agree. The way this split breaks down would ensure six liberal Senators. The SF Bay Area needs to be included in the "California" portion, not "Northern California."

That wouldn't happen. San Francisco would never consent to being separated from its suburbs and thrown in with Los Angeles.

But even if it did, Sacramento and the liberal coastal counties would probably give Northern California to the Democrats. There just aren't that many people in inland Northern California.

In a good year, Republicans might be able to elect a governor or senator in the Southern California state, but the other two would be solid Democrat.

50 posted on 04/13/2018 7:03:34 AM PDT by x
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To: MCF

They blew that one off to make West Virginia in 1863.


51 posted on 04/13/2018 7:26:16 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Having fun in unapproved ways since 1962)
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To: McGavin999

As a California resident I plan to vote no on this garbage.


52 posted on 04/13/2018 7:28:20 AM PDT by crusher2013
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To: vannrox

Like we would accept 6 nutcase senators instead of 2.


53 posted on 04/13/2018 7:38:00 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Bryanw92
It’s a trap! Just a way to create 4 more Progressive Senators.

Absolutely correct... using the proposed county groupings for NorCal, Cal, and SoCal in the initiative, and using the 2016 Presidential election results as a proxy of how each state would vote for a Senator, we would end up with 6 Kamala Harris type Progressives in the Senate. And while some are hoping that this measure might strip off some Electoral votes for the GOP candidate, that won't happen either - in fact the Dems would end up with 4 more EVs.

2016 Presidential Election results by proposed "3Cal Split":

Nor Cal: Clinton 3,402,343 - Trump 1,464,637
Cal: Clinton 2,934,624 - Trump 1,057,331
So Cal: Clinton 2,413,666 - Trump 1,957,594

It's a definite NO vote from me.

54 posted on 04/13/2018 8:17:12 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
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To: vannrox

Progressives will never let their slaves go. Never.


55 posted on 04/13/2018 8:26:06 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: L,TOWM
No, not really. Virginia had seceded from the Union so was not part U.S. The people of what is now WV asked to be admitted as a separate State rather then go with the Confederacy.
56 posted on 04/13/2018 8:35:14 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: mistfree

“WAIT! What about Rhode Island?”

What about it? If you divided it, you’d end up with a couple of three-car garages.


57 posted on 04/13/2018 8:56:14 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Wuli

“(the county S.F. is in)”

SF isn’t in a county, it is a county! San Francisco is a city and a county within the same border. It is called legally The City and County of San Francisco.


58 posted on 04/13/2018 8:59:21 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Each with two senators!


59 posted on 04/13/2018 9:21:21 AM PDT by mistfree (It's a very uncreative man who can't think of more than one way to spell a word.)
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To: vannrox

California is like a rich mans out house 3 sh*tholes are better than one.


60 posted on 04/13/2018 9:29:51 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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