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Is the United States on the verge of civil war?
SF Chronicle ^ | Sep. 29, 2018 | victor davis hanson

Posted on 09/30/2018 10:57:22 PM PDT by aquila48

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes. Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism, or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

What is causing America to turn differences into these bitter hatreds — and why now?

The internet and social media often descend into an electronic lynch mob. In a nanosecond, an insignificant local news story goes viral. Immediately hundreds of millions of people use it to drum up the evils or virtues of either progressivism or conservatism.

Anonymity is a force multiplier of these tensions. Fake online identities provide cover for ever greater extremism — on the logic that no one is ever called to account for his or her words.

Speed is also the enemy of common sense and restraint. Millions of bloggers rush to be the first to post their take on a news event, without much worry about whether it soon becomes a “fake news” moment of unsubstantiated gossip and fiction.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfchronicle.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anothercw2; anothercwii; cw2; cwii; jesusagain; repeatcw2; repeatcwii; vdh; yetanothercw2; yetanothercwii
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To: GOPsterinMA

This is the one.

201 posted on 10/02/2018 6:54:35 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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To: GOPsterinMA

“If you don’t like me working with Pres Trump to make the world a better place, I don’t give a s**t” - US Sen Lindsey Graham to CNN”


202 posted on 10/02/2018 7:21:47 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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To: Impy

“Some woman(?) that works for Feinstien.“

She works for Mad Maxine Waters.


203 posted on 10/02/2018 7:27:15 PM PDT by Darnright (We live in interesting times.)
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To: Darnright; foreverfree

Right, she(?) works for Maxine Waters, not F.Stien, my mistake.


204 posted on 10/02/2018 7:35:24 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That’s strange...


205 posted on 10/03/2018 4:39:26 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy

Scary!!!


206 posted on 10/03/2018 4:41:14 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy

He’s up for re-election in 2020.

That said, he’s gone scorched Earth...and it’s great!


207 posted on 10/03/2018 4:43:07 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

It’s been a problem for years. I always get an error message saying the video cannot be played or just a blank white screen. If it’s not on YouTube, I can’t see it.


208 posted on 10/03/2018 4:44:07 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No idea why that happens...:(


209 posted on 10/03/2018 7:31:20 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: LS

I’m in Rossi’s district and he WILL be getting my vote. Just hope Susan Hutchison has enough name recognition to take out Cantwell. I know, I know, but one can dream.


210 posted on 10/03/2018 11:59:39 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: Impy

Did Graham really say that? And to CNN of all places?


211 posted on 10/03/2018 10:35:10 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: LS

We must crush the ‘rats, for these perilous times and for the future of America’s children!


212 posted on 10/04/2018 11:58:56 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Randy Larsen; Chode; Squantos; snooter55; All

This time will be a bit more complicated due to it not being just a North/South clash of ideas. This will be spot by spot clashes. The good thing is that most of the commiedemonrats don’t know what end to put a round of ammo in on the Firearm.

Everyone better be VERY CAREFUL ABOUT Neighbors and be sure to dig past the Facade. Check the trash out when it goes to the street- it’s public at that point. See what political parties ads have been torn up. Example My can would be loaded with every commiedemonrat mailer in many pieces.

Maybe just for fun I’ll print up some fake boxes for 50 Cal Ammo and 40mm Grenade rounds just so I can watch who pisses their pants in the street.

And send a Disclaimer to the Sheriff Department and Locals.


213 posted on 10/05/2018 11:02:28 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Congress- the opposite of PROGRESS!!!)
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To: central_va
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."
Lincoln said a lot of things. That quote is from 1862. The Republican party was founded on the principle of Abolition, and that's exactly what happened—whether Lincoln initially felt that way or not.

It's easy to cherry pick Lincoln quotes—especially those made earlier in the Civil War. Lincoln's position clearly evolved at some point—or else he eventually concluded that ending slavery was necessary to preserve the Union—otherwise, he wouldn't have signed the Emancipation Proclamation...

214 posted on 10/07/2018 9:24:12 PM PDT by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: archy

Are you the guy who told the tale of seeing a squad of Marines carting a recoilless rifle up to the roof of the school?


215 posted on 10/08/2018 8:48:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: sargon
Lincoln's position clearly evolved at some point—or else he eventually concluded that ending slavery was necessary to preserve the Union—otherwise, he wouldn't have signed the Emancipation Proclamation...

The Union was getting its butt kicked on the battle field so Lincoln need more bodies to throw at the Army of Northern VA. He wanted a war of attrition, and he got it.

The Civil War was repackaged in early 1863 as a war to "free the black man" which went over like a fart in church. Conscription and race/draft riots followed.

216 posted on 10/09/2018 5:17:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DuncanWaring
Are you the guy who told the tale of seeing a squad of Marines carting a recoilless rifle up to the roof of the school?

I am. In Havana, at the American Dependent's Academy, in 1958. We had been under fire from a .50 Browning machinegun just prior to the Marines arrival [part of the US Embassy reaction team, not a detachment from Gitmo, I suspect, but couldn't say for sure.] One thing I'll recall to my last day: a short little Marine platoon leader, 2nd Lieutenant or thereabouts, leading the guys hauling that small cannon down our hallway, mad as a wet hornet, telling his platoon/ gun section that This $h!t will cease! This $h!t will cease IMMEDIATELY!!! His Marines had no doubt what their job was and they had the tools, training and leadership to do it.

I've never been a Marine, but you'll not hear me badmouth their Corps either. Everything I ever needed to know about military leadership I learned from that cocky young Marine that day. It's served me pretty well over the last 60 years.


217 posted on 10/11/2018 10:26:53 AM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: jjotto
No one is going to nominate anyone 70+ to the USSC. Merrick Garland was considered a compromise because he’s in his 60s and wouldn’t serve so long.

You may be missing a bit of my scheme. I don't necessarily want him confirmed, just nominated to the post. If he keeps anyone else from taking a vacant seat until the *right* candidate is ready and a vote-proof Senate is in place, swell. They reject him, he gets nominated again, and again, and again, keeping any *fair compromise* candidate out. Ya know who I'd really like to see him be able to put in?


218 posted on 10/11/2018 11:22:12 AM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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To: archy

Wow, just saw Judge Roy Bean was born in Kentucky. Puts a smile on my face.


219 posted on 10/11/2018 11:36:23 AM PDT by TianaHighrider
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To: TianaHighrider
Wow, just saw Judge Roy Bean was born in Kentucky. Puts a smile on my face.

Yup. He lived in California for a while, too, where a few of the locals made a fair country try at lynching him. Which seems to have given him two good ideas, one being to leave California for New Mexico, and the other being to establish his judicial practice.

220 posted on 10/11/2018 11:41:55 AM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, then eat you.)
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