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Rebellion is Bursting out All Over
Am Thinker ^ | May 12, 2019 | Clarice Feldman

Posted on 05/12/2019 4:32:01 PM PDT by upchuck

As Spygate proceeds to its certain conclusion -- the trials of those who engaged in this scandalous coup attempt -- we receive the details of the scheme only in dribs and drabs. Too many were involved and have too much to lose at this point by not revealing to the investigators their role in exchange for more lenient treatment, which is why I believe all will soon be revealed.

So for the moment let’s turn to the broader picture that explains in large part why so many officials were so determined to keep Donald Trump from the White House and to oust him once he won the election.

To me, it has seemed they are clinging to the privileges and benefits of an order which is dying because its underpinnings -- the post-World War II order -- no longer suit the citizens of the countries involved, or the changing world.

In this respect, I was much taken by this article in the Claremont Review by Christopher Caldwell.

The subject of this essay is Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán, who famously closed his country’s borders to hordes of migrants from Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. I urge you to read the entire article, which I can only selectively discuss. As Caldwell explains, Hungary has been a member of the European Union since 2004 and his political party was closely aligned with Angela Merkel’s. Remembering Hungary’s history and intellectual curiosity, Orban rejected the policies of the E.U. on migration.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jamescomey; lisapage; peterstrzok; robertmueller
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To: Robert DeLong

It was a very interesting article.
Get some rest and try it again.


41 posted on 05/12/2019 8:22:45 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: higgmeister

Sorry, I missed that debate. I am fully aware of Art. II and the 14th Amendment. In fact the 14th A lays out a better understanding of what “natural” means. “Under the jurisdiction thereof” was greatly written about by the author Sen. Howard and certainly puts Art. II in clearer context. Also, Vattel’s Law of Nations was widely read by the founding fathers and in it he argues for my take on the issue, not yours. And Constitutional scholar Mark Levin agrees with me as well. I have good company. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908140/posts


42 posted on 05/12/2019 8:29:34 PM PDT by BigB60
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To: MrEdd

Why so nasty? This has been debated for eons by Senators, Congressmen and women, legal scholars, Constitutional experts, etc. and somehow you slipped onto Mt Olympus. I therefore bow to your ad hominem attack.


43 posted on 05/12/2019 8:43:20 PM PDT by BigB60
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To: 5th MEB

I read half of it, and enjoyed what i read. we’ll see who knows maybe I will get the stamina to read the entire thing. 8>)


44 posted on 05/12/2019 9:09:37 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: upchuck

Great post!


45 posted on 05/12/2019 9:38:20 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BigB60
Sorry, I missed that debate. I am fully aware of Art. II and the 14th Amendment. In fact the 14th A lays out a better understanding of what “natural” means. “Under the jurisdiction thereof” was greatly written about by the author Sen. Howard and certainly puts Art. II in clearer context. Also, Vattel’s Law of Nations was widely read by the founding fathers and in it he argues for my take on the issue, not yours. And Constitutional scholar Mark Levin agrees with me as well. I have good company.

You are not in good company if that company is wrong.

http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=2

I don't care how much someone else would like him as President. Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a foreign born parent which makes him ineligible to be President of the United States! and to compound it his birth was not even registered when he was an infant as the law required, his birth was not registered until he was teenager.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/1st-congress/c1.pdf

C. The Import of Early Naturalization Statutes

Article I of the Constitution gives Congress the power “[t]o establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,”103 which Congress first exercised in 1790. Included in the first Act To Establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization was the following language:

[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States . . . .104
The very existence of this provision demonstrates that the early American notion of “natural born citizen” adopted the English common law only and did not include the eighteenth-century statutes. If it had been otherwise, there would have been no need for the 1790 statute because the children covered would have been natural born under then-current English law. As one nineteenth-century senator stated: “[T]he founders of this Government made no provision?of course they made none?for the naturalization of naturalborn citizens.”105 Moreover, the legislative history suggests that the first Congress intended to effectuate a change in the law, not merely to declare the status quo.106 On February 3, 1790, Congress began debating a draft bill that provided for naturalization.107 The legislature acknowledged the common law principle that “[a]n alien has no right to hold lands in any country [but his own].”108 However, there was no real opposition to “let[ting] foreigners, on easy terms, be admitted to hold lands” in America.109 One of Congress’ greatest concerns was the prospect of all those immigrants pushing their way into the budding nation’s new government. For example, one congressman, summing up the issue, stated:
A foreigner who comes here is not desirous of interfering immediately with our politics; nor is it proper that he should. His emigration is governed by a different principle; he is desirous of obtaining and holding property. I should have no objection to his doing this, from the first moment he sets his foot on shore in America; but it appears to me, that we ought to be cautious how we admit emigrants to the other privileges of citizenship . . . . [T]he admission of a great number of foreigners to all the places of Government, may tincture the system with the dregs of their former habits, and corrupt what we believe the most pure of all human institutions.110
In sum, the debate focused on how to balance properly an immigrant’s need to purchase or inherit land quickly and Congress’ concerns about granting other aspects of citizenship. Another congressman, referring to a statute that allowed English children to inherit from alien parents,111 suggested that “the . . . children of American parents born abroad ought to be provided for, as was done [by Parliament] in the case of English parents.”112 In essence, he called for a clause that would permit American parents to bequeath property to their alien children. Thus, he understood “children of American parents born abroad” to be aliens and ineligible to inherit property. At the close of the debate, the House sent the bill back to a subcommittee to consider how best to address the issues raised.113 Just before the end of the discussion, a member of the subcommittee that originally presented the draft bill announced that “he had another clause ready to present, providing for the children of American citizens born out of the United States.”114 This comment further demonstrates the recognition of an ongoing need to provide for these children due to their alien status. Because the 1790 Act stated that alien children of American parents would “be considered as natural born citizens,” the question remains as to the scope of the change Congress intended to effect. Did Congress mean to amend the requirements of the Clause statutorily? As aforementioned, the Framers constitutionalized the common law concept of natural born citizen. Under the common law, “[t]he first and most obvious division of the people is into aliens and natural-born [citizens].”115 In other words, everyone is either an alien or a natural born citizen based on his or her place of birth; that status does not change. Article I grants Congress the power to naturalize, that is, “remove the disabilities of alienage.”116 However, Congress does not possess the alchemical power to convert one’s status from alien to natural born citizen.117 If truly Congress’ intent, such a result would expand the requirements of Article II without a constitutional amendment. Moreover, Parliament’s expansion of the definition of “natural born subject” in the eighteenth century sets no precedent with respect to the American provision. In comparison to the American Constitution, the English Constitution is unwritten.118 By the late seventeenth century, England’s Constitution consisted of whatever Parliament declared as law; Parliament had “sovereign and uncontrolable authority in making, confirming, enlarging, restraining, abrogating, repealing, reviving, and expounding of laws.”119 As such, it could “change and create afresh even the constitution of the kingdom and of parliaments themselves.”120 Parliament certainly had the power to extend natural born status to those who otherwise would have been aliens. The relationship between Congress and the American Constitution is quite different. According to the Supreme Court in Marbury v. Madison,121 to allow Congress the same latitude as Parliament
would subvert the very foundation of all written constitutions. It would declare that an act, which, according to the principles and theory of our government, is entirely void; is yet, in practice, completely obligatory. It would declare, that if the legislature shall do what is expressly forbid[d]en, such act, notwithstanding the express prohibition, is in reality effectual. It would be giving to the legislature a practical and real omnipotence, with the same breath which professes to restrict their powers within narrow limits.122
Therefore, Congress cannot alter who is eligible to run for President by statute. Such a dramatic change requires a constitutional amendment.123

Unsurprisingly, no evidence suggests Congress intended to expand the class of persons who could run for President. Moreover, early commentators agreed that the use of “natural born” in the first naturalization act did not amend Article II. For example, St. George Tucker?a professor of law at the College of William and Mary124?published his edition of Blackstone’s Commentaries in 1803, wherein he provided his own notes concerning the differences between English and American law.125 With respect to naturalization and citizenship, he cited all of the American naturalization statutes enacted to that date, including the 1790 Act.126 He then concluded that “[p]ersons [] naturalized according to these acts, are entitled to all the rights of natural-born citizens, except . . . they are forever incapable of being chosen to the office of president of the United States.”127 In any event, Congress swiftly repealed the 1790 statute in 1795.128 This time, debate in the House focused on several issues, including whether aliens seeking naturalization should be made to renounce (1) foreign hereditary titles and (2) any claim to persons then held in slavery.129 The House voted “yea” on the first question and “nay” on the second.130 On January 2, 1795, the bill was recommitted to a select committee of three individuals, one of whom was James Madison.131 Earlier, on December 29, 1794, Madison had expressed the opinion that Congress had no naturalization authority over American citizens: “It was only granted to them to admit aliens.”132 The following Monday, January 5, 1795, “Mr. Madison . . . reported a new bill of Naturalization, containing the amendments recommitted, and also whatever was necessary from the Old Law, so that the latter should be entirely superceded.”133 Madison salvaged the “Old Law” provision that granted naturalization rights to children of American citizens born abroad.134 Interestingly, the phrase “natural born” was deleted without any recorded debate on the issue.135 The new statute provided in pertinent part that “the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”136 The law established that the alien child was only naturalized, not declared a natural born citizen.137


46 posted on 05/12/2019 9:38:57 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: upchuck

Bathhouse Barry traveled the world on an Indonesian passport. Nobody knows where he was born and there is no proof of his citizenship that has been made public.


47 posted on 05/12/2019 9:49:58 PM PDT by northislander
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To: higgmeister

Can you save us some time and offer a summary of what the Founders intended in 1st & 2nd Congress?

Also, I’ve read elsewhere that NBC has not really been addressed in the Judicial branch.

tx,

the JG


48 posted on 05/12/2019 11:13:45 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has Granted us Liberty, and we owe Him our Courage in return)
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To: upchuck

Re: Too many were involved and have too much to lose at this point by not revealing to the investigators their role in exchange for more lenient treatment...

That’s delusional.

In Washington, D.C., Democrat prosecutors, Democrat judges, and Democrat juries do not put Democrat defendants in jail for committing politically motivated crimes.


49 posted on 05/13/2019 12:12:03 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: upchuck

Thanks for that link to the CRB Hungary/Orbán article. I’ve been a fan since watching his speech 3 years ago.

Orban’s Historical Speech Puts Hungary on a War Footing (speaks truth about Muslim immigration)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3411401/posts

Transcript in post 5 there.

And wow, the video is gone. Why am I not surprised? If you see video on YouTube with conservative content, download it and post it elsewhere.


50 posted on 05/13/2019 12:26:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DarthVader

This disease needs to be eradicated once and for all


51 posted on 05/13/2019 2:39:42 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (nicdip.com)
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To: higgmeister

Good post
“...right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States” (referenced twice in your notes)

So are you arguing that a)only the father bestows the right of citizenship and b)debates about statutory acts (1790, 1795) should be our preferred understanding of Art. II sec. 2 vs the actual language of Constitution? And since when does being wrong(unproven by the way) expunge the character of people? You have condemned many. My point about “good company” is that, even if we are wrong, many notables, scholars and the like, concur with this opinion.


52 posted on 05/13/2019 5:18:21 AM PDT by BigB60
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To: upchuck

bttt


53 posted on 05/13/2019 2:31:57 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul.)
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