Posted on 12/10/2023 10:42:38 AM PST by Mariner
Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said Sunday that the United States needs to accept that Ukraine will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
Vance told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” that he is opposed to sending more aid to Ukraine because he does not believe the country will ever be able to overpower Russia. He questioned why sending billions in aid to Ukraine is going to help the country at this point in its war against Russia since previous aid has yet to end the war.
“What’s in America’s best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians and we need to bring this war to a close,” Vance said. “But when I think about the great human tragedy here, hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans innocent have been killed in this conflict, the thing that’s in our interest and in theirs is to stop the killing.”
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“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”
“So what we’re saying to the president and really to the entire world is you need to articulate what the ambition is, what is $61 billion going to accomplish that $100 billion hasn’t,” he added.
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Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio) said the US needs to accept that Ukraine
will likely need to “cede some territory” to Russia to end the fighting.
“The idea that Ukraine was going to throw Russia back to
the 1991 border was preposterous, nobody actually believed it.”
“........Biden and the world need to explain what $61 billion more
US tax dollars is going to accomplish that $100 billion US tax dollars hasn’t.”
Putin: “This will be my last territorial demand!”
“Just another sign that the Ukrainians should take no advice regarding the conduct of war from an American elite that has lost virtually every war it has fought in the past 80 years. “
They can keep their own counsel when they pay their own bills.
Which will be soon, when the US stops paying. Then they can do whatever the hell they want and wish.
They get to keep the rump that they have left. They still have Odessa, for the moment anyway.
You don’t think Russia will purposely leave them Odessa do you?
“The treaty consequently expired on 31 March 2019.”
Ukraine chose not to renew because Russia seized Crimea and had little green men throughout the eastern provinces. Russia broke the treaty, but claims Ukraine broke it when they stated a desire and aspiration to join the EU and NATO.
A major element of the treaty is that neither party would do anything to lessen the security of the other. It’s not a stretch to claim having one’s decades long, existential enemy invited to exercise next door is a violation.
One could make the case we need to cede parts of California to Mexico.<
We have the power to keep what we have.
Additionally, unlike the Russians in the Donbas, the Mexicans in California have no desire to be part of Mexico.
That’s why I was careful to specify that the US elite were to blame, not the soldiers.
“Ukraine chose not to renew because Russia seized Crimea and had little green men throughout the eastern provinces. Russia broke the treaty, but claims Ukraine broke it when they stated a desire and aspiration to join the EU and NATO. A major element of the treaty is that neither party would do anything to lessen the security of the other. It’s not a stretch to claim having one’s decades long, existential enemy invited to exercise next door is a violation.”
Russia created the CSTO in 2002, which — with the inclusion of Belarus — completely surrounded Ukraine on two sides (along the entirety of Ukraine’s northern border, as well as its eastern border; and part of its southwestern border at Transnistria; not to mention Russia’s Black Sea Fleet to Ukraine’s south). And Russia is bitching about NATO?
“Then Ukraine doesn’t really have any incentive to stop fighting, do they?”
It has three incentives.
Lack of personnel.
Lack of weaponry.
No avenue to sufficient supply of either.
Yes you did, I read it too quickly, sorry about that.
I’m sorry but it doesn’t matter who is the bad guy. This is A1 World Class BFI (Brute Force and Ignorance) at work and it doesn’t care about niceties nor UN sanctions. Kill it or be killed.
No problem. I should have clearer.
“And Russia is bitching about NATO?”
Of course.
They were determined to keep Ukraine in the sphere of influence, if not a full client state.
You are putting forth a logical fallacy: it does not follow from something being a Kremlin talking point that it is not true. This is the classic “circumstantial ad hominem” fallacy where one avoids addressing the statement on its merits but instead distracts from the facts by focusing on the character of the speaker. Question: did the United States support the toppling of the democratically-elected, constitutionally valid government in Ukraine in 2014? As far as I can tell, the answer is ‘yes’, and this illegal change of government started a war that the current fighting is a continuation of.
They get to stop dying.
I can’t help it if you’ve refused to come for air while at your media masters’ feeding trough. You can read, do your own due diligence for once. Every piece of western disinfo you’ve been hawking for nearly two years has has turned to utter crap. The war is lost. The war was lost 2/22/22. Just wait and you’ll hear it from your own Winston Zelensky soon enough.
Are you trying to make sense out of Ukraine vs Russia?
LOL
It would be easier to make sense out of Biden getting 84 million votes.
It would be easier to explain why billions have been spent for Ukraine with no audit requirement and no accountability.
So by all means get up in arms about this foreign entanglement.
I blame that all on Clinton, instead of going into Russia with a “lets co-operate on trade and the future” that @sshole decided to belittle and degrade the Russians.
I will always believe that we had a chance to make the Russians an ally against the Red Chinese, but BILLY BLOWJOB CLINTON managed to screw that up just like all his whores.
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