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Parents Investigated for Letting 7-Year-Old Get a Cookie From the Store
Reason ^ | April 2, 2024 | Lenore Skenazy & Diane Redleaf

Posted on 04/06/2024 1:39:58 PM PDT by Twotone

Beth Widner is a mother who lives in Canton, a middle-class suburb of Atlanta, Georgia. She has four kids, whom she homeschools while her husband, Glenn, telecommutes.

In August of 2018, the Widner kids—then ages 13, 11, nine, and seven—were members of a swim team at their local YMCA, which was about two blocks from their house. One day, after swim practice, the 7-year-old, Jackson, lagged behind while the rest of his siblings walked home, and stopped by the grocery for a free cookie.

A store employee thought it was so unusual to see an unaccompanied 7-year-old that a store employee called 911. Then, instead of letting him leave, the employee told Jackson he had to wait for the police to arrive.

This became part of a pattern; indeed, Jackson's semi-independence attracted police attention on no fewer than three occasions, leading to two investigations by Child Protective Services (CPS).

Widner recently had the opportunity to share these experiences with the governor's office. (The meeting was arranged by the Reason Foundation, which publishes Reason, and Let Grow, the non-profit at which both of us work.) She hoped that her story would inspire support for a "Reasonable Childhood Independence" law in the state. Such laws establish that neglect occurs when parents put kids in obvious, serious danger, not anytime they let their kids out of sight.

We hope to see a law like that passed in Georgia sometime soon. Eight other states have already jumped on the bandwagon, and this year Michigan, Missouri, and New Hampshire will vote on similar bills.

When Jackson refused to tell the authorities where he lived—having been taught not to give such information to strangers—the police deduced he had been swimming and went to the YMCA to learn more. The cops were very cross with Jackson and informed him that being out and about without his parents was a serious infraction. He responded that he would promptly go home "if you would just leave me alone," his mother recalled later.

After the police finally brought Jackson home, they informed his father, Glenn, that it wasn't safe to let a child his age wander around outside.

"You just can't raise kids like that anymore—it isn't safe," said the cops.

Glenn begged to differ, reciting statistics that kids today face no greater risk from stranger danger than previous generations. Nevertheless, the police summoned child protective services.

A caseworker from Georgia's Division of Family and Child Services arrived a few hours later. She told the family, assembled together, that the police report stated that Jackson had been unattended from 8:00 a.m. until 2:00 p.m. The Widners set the record straight—swim practice had ended by 10:45 a.m., and everyone had been back at home well before lunch—and the caseworkers closed the investigation. She even said that her own kids could learn a bit more independence from the Widners, Beth recalled.

But that was not the end of things. Later that year, for Christmas, Jackson received a new bike. On January 2, just before lunch, he asked his mom if he could ride it and off he went. An older woman in the park stopped Jackson, telling him he was too young to ride his bike alone. According to Jackson, he took a few more circles around the park and then ducked into the grocery for—you guessed it—a free cookie.

Soon thereafter, Beth got a call from Jackson, using the new watch phone his parents had gotten him after the August incident. He said the police wanted to speak to her. Once again, cops had detained Jackson for being outside unsupervised.

Beth got to the grocery parking lot within a couple of minutes. She found Jackson seated like a suspect in the backseat of a cruiser. The complaining witness watched as the police let Beth take her son home. Beth wasn't told what to expect further, and she didn't hear from child services. But she later learned that child services had been informed about Jackson's flagrant act of unaccompanied bike riding.

On January 18, Jackson's unabated taste for free cookies turned into a full-blown investigation. While his parents had warned him that he should not indulge his sweet tooth (or independence) anymore, he went to the grocery store after a bike ride once again. As in August, a store employee called the police. The employee fed him chicken and fries—it was lunch time—to stall him until the cops arrived. The police then escorted Jackson home, bike and all. Glenn came to the door to hear what the cops had to say about his son, the cookie recidivist.

One of the police officers accused Glenn of "breaking the law" by letting Jackson go out alone. "What law is that?" Glenn inquired. The officer replied, "You can Google it." The most senior officer accused him of neglect and "contributing to delinquency of the minor," and told him not only could he be arrested, but he might face felony charges and spend time in jail.

A CPS caseworker showed up two hours later. Unlike the first one, who had complimented the family, this one accused the family of having "a problem with child supervision." When Beth and Glenn asked what specific law they had broken, she said she didn't have it written down.

The caseworker proceeded to question all four children at the kitchen table, then notified the Widners that they would be subject to a "parenting plan" requiring them to supervise the children at all times. The Widners told her that they would not be following the plan. Upon hearing this probably unusual response, the caseworker warned the Widners that she would talk to her supervisor.

After she left, the Widners never heard another word from her, although a few weeks later, two unidentified caseworkers stopped by the house asking to speak to Glenn. He wasn't home and they left.

The Widners realized their freedom to raise their kids as they saw fit was in danger. Fearful that they could land on Georgia's child abuse and neglect registry, Beth and Glenn decided to move the family outside city limits. Jackson, now 12, no longer worries about asking for a free cookie at the store.

But a state law that definitively puts the matter to rest—by stating unequivocally that the police should not harass parents who let their kids exercise some basic independence—could offer further protection.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; bikeriding; cookies; freerangekids; georgia; homeschooled
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1 posted on 04/06/2024 1:39:58 PM PDT by Twotone
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To: Twotone

Shoot! When I was four went to the back door of the local Krispy Kreme to beg for a donut. More than once. I was escorted home once.


2 posted on 04/06/2024 1:44:44 PM PDT by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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To: Twotone

Lesson: Do not live inside municipalities (or HOAs). Doesn’t matter if the state is red or blue.


3 posted on 04/06/2024 1:44:47 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Twotone

When I was 8 my mom would send me to the store to pick up cigarattes.


4 posted on 04/06/2024 1:46:37 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

Ditto


5 posted on 04/06/2024 1:47:59 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: Twotone

Any longer, and the state would have castrated him and put him on puberty blockers.


6 posted on 04/06/2024 1:48:40 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Twotone
She has four kids, whom she homeschools...

Aha! An outright enemy of the state!

7 posted on 04/06/2024 1:49:04 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt ( )
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To: Twotone
A symptom of the overly-structured "helicopter-parenting" society we live in today.

When I was six years old (1968), I got my first bicycle and I was cycling through the neighborhood on my own in no time at all. In fact, my father would often give me a couple of quarters and send me to the mom and pop convenience store a few blocks away to get him cigarettes. With the change, I was allowed to get a paper sack of penny candy.

Imagine that today!

I remember playing Little League baseball a few years later. I'd ride my bike to practice and to games by myself. My father would show up for a game maybe two or three times total. Decades later, in the 1990s, when my own kids played Little League, I'd drop them off at practice and come back to pick them up later. The parents sitting in lawn chairs with coolers to watch the practice thought I was a very bad Dad!

That was when helicopter parenting was taking over.

8 posted on 04/06/2024 1:49:29 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (6,575,474 Truth | 87,429,044 Twitter)
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To: Fido969

They used to come 19 in a pack. Remember?


9 posted on 04/06/2024 1:49:33 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: ComputerGuy
When I was in the first grade, back in 1944, I rode the city bus to school and had to transfer to a different bus. Sometimes I walked to school or back home. Many of the children did.

The Krispy Kreme place put fresh donuts in the window just as school was out. Everybody salivated walking by--except the ones who had a nickel for a donut.

One day, a boy named Jimmy didn't feel well, so the teacher let him go home. She asked if anyone lived near Jimmy. I did. So she asked me to walk home with him. I did.

10 posted on 04/06/2024 1:58:02 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Pray for the Enlightenment of the Democrats.)
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To: Twotone

I was a free-range kid. I would go all over the place, alone or with friends, and there was never a problem, no one ever called the cops. It’s sad that kids don’t have that option any more.


11 posted on 04/06/2024 1:58:35 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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To: Twotone

“You just can’t raise kids like that anymore—it isn’t safe,” said the cops.

++++++++++++

Hey thanks, cops. I was wondering how not to raise kids like that!


12 posted on 04/06/2024 1:58:51 PM PDT by sonova (No money? You're free to go.)
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To: Fido969

When I was 16 my mom sent me to the local grocery store with a $20.00 bill and a short list. She called the owner to make sure I received the proper change and brought both the groceries and the change home.


13 posted on 04/06/2024 2:02:07 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Twotone

My gramp traveled all over the NYC subway system alone when he was nine just to see where they went.


14 posted on 04/06/2024 2:02:33 PM PDT by SkyDancer (~A Bizjet Is Nothing But An Executive Mailing Tube ~)
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To: Fido969
When I was 8 my mom would send me to the store to pick up cigarettes.

Same here. I was also able to buy lottery tickets for the PA lottery back then at the same corner grocery store in Philly. It was called the "Daily Number". Play a 3 number combination boxed or straight for as little as 50 cents per ticket.

15 posted on 04/06/2024 2:11:12 PM PDT by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: Fido969
"When I was 8 my mom would send me to the store to pick up cigarattes."

I have the same memories. I have memories of being 4 years old and laying with my friends under the train trestle as miles-long coal trains thundered over us.

16 posted on 04/06/2024 2:11:22 PM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Fido969
When I was 8 my mom would send me to the store to pick up cigarattes.

Same here. When I was between 6 to 10, my dad sent me to the store to buy cartons of cigarettes for him. Not a problem from the stores or clerks. Also walked to and from elementary school on my own, from kindergarten on. Sometimes old ladies would invite me in for cookies during my walk home, never a problem. My parents fostered independence on their 5 kids, that made us stronger.

17 posted on 04/06/2024 2:12:11 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Fido969

LOL! My Dad did the same - and for the Sunday newspaper. I always got a tip to spend on candy...


18 posted on 04/06/2024 2:13:06 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: ComputerGuy

In the 1970’s, our mother would send me and my sister with $2.00 to the Kwik Pik to get her beer and cigarettes. $.99 for a six pack of Red, White and Blue, $.35 for cigarettes and we were able to use the remainder for penny candy.

We were around 6 and 7 years old.


19 posted on 04/06/2024 2:13:47 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Twotone; Pelham

Canton GA

(Do gooders from different latitude invasion)

I roamed neighborhood at 7


20 posted on 04/06/2024 2:14:54 PM PDT by wardaddy (. A disease in the public mind btw Alina Habba is fine as grits)
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