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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Breaking News
KEYWORDS: bushbabeslist; enviralists; hughhewitt; jimroblist; opuslist; usocanteen; zionist
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT one more time
3,581 posted on 08/05/2002 7:02:29 PM PDT by bazbo
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To: oldvike; Jim Robinson
Hey, I post at LP, but I don't consider myself and "afer". I have some major problems with a certain group of people around her but do not have any desire to see this place fold!!!!

Roger that. I am certainly no AFhole. And I also might not post here as much as I used to -- I am virulently piled-on by people who take any criticism of Bush I may have just a little too personally -- but JimRob is not one of those people.

As to the ever-present analysis of JimRob's finances that the AFholes like to engage in, I repeatedly respond that when I buy a hamburger at Wendys, I do not expect to see a company profit/loss statement. FR gives me a service and I pay for it. I could really care less where the money goes.

3,582 posted on 08/05/2002 7:02:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT one more "one more time"
3,583 posted on 08/05/2002 7:04:29 PM PDT by bazbo
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To: All
Keep FRee Republic!
3,584 posted on 08/05/2002 7:05:45 PM PDT by Reborn
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To: Lazamataz
Ditto...
3,585 posted on 08/05/2002 7:07:28 PM PDT by bazbo
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To: justshe
My thoughts are this: FR is unique and it should stay that way. FR is what FReedom is all about. However, there are some in this world who do not have a committed heart for America. There are those who are jealous of what FR has become - a voice in the wilderness - which is a threat to them and their ultra left wing views.

Disruptors are easy to deal with - just ignore them. Their only goal is to get FReepers to explode - that's their game, and their questions or supposed complaints are really just a ruse to draw people in. They get their jollies out of watching people go ballistic. They don't care about Bush and they probably don't even have brains enough to figure out some of the questions they are asking. If they did, they wouldn't be asking the questions, because the information to answer their questions is all over the place. They just don't want to take the time to look it up.

The other disruptors are the group from DU. These people are particularly hateful and don't make any bones about it. When the book "Bias" made the statement that all the liberals ever do is call people names (when you don't agree with their agenda), it was the understatement of the year.

I come to this spot every night just to see what's going on. I really feel deprived if I cannot get on my computer each evening. I have found here so many people who feel exactly as I do - and I have learned so much from the miriad of people from all over the country, and a few from Canada and other countries. I have found real friends - and real people.

FR is what America is all about. Individuals who have banded together for a common reason - to support conservatism and each other.
3,586 posted on 08/05/2002 7:08:29 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Jim Robinson
Keep up the good work Jim!
3,587 posted on 08/05/2002 7:09:21 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Free Republic has been my main source of reasoned debate and organized opposition to the evils of bad gov't , and has allowed the truth a forum it would not have elsewhere.

Stay ! You are needed.

3,588 posted on 08/05/2002 7:09:54 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: Henrietta
Also, I'd pay $10.00 a month to subscribe to FR.

You can do it now. Freepmail BADJOE and set yourself up as a monthly donor.

3,589 posted on 08/05/2002 7:10:27 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Jim Robinson
What the heck....goodnight BTTT!
3,590 posted on 08/05/2002 7:11:44 PM PDT by bazbo
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To: Lazamataz
And I also might not post here as much as I used to -- I am virulently piled-on by people who take any criticism of Bush I may have just a little too personally

That's no excuse.

Go Pat Go!!!

3,592 posted on 08/05/2002 7:18:06 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Jim Robinson
I used to check out AF sites, but got tired of the same old griping, seems their only purpose was and is to badmouth FR for whatever reason.

I now ignore them completely, they are of no consequence.

Keep FR going.

3,593 posted on 08/05/2002 7:18:42 PM PDT by Great Dane
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To: CyberAnt
CyberAnt, I agree re: how to deal with disruptors. My response goes back a few posts and was originally addressed to angelo who was writing about LP and wrote:

"I'm guessing you haven't spent much time over there. The antifreepers are kept locked away in their own little cage, where they can snipe to their heart's content without disrupting the news forum. And contrary to terilyn's assertion, there is real debate over there.

I agree with Bob J and BADJOE. There is ample room for a Liberty Post or a Lucianne.com. The more the merrier!"


My first response was:

To: angelo

UNLESS.......some decide to become disruptors. Or post threads like "Pray For My Bush" for the sole purpose of derision where anti-FR seems to be the only topic.

I traveled ALL over LP today (first time there)...I saw MANY on different threads that felt the need to post anti-freeper posts. And many that had to brag about how they had been to FR and posted XXXX.......or XXXX. I even saw entire posts from FR copied and posted on LP...for the purpose of ridicule. When was the last time you saw an LP thread posted on FR in it's entirety?

This is counter-productive to ALL isn't it? Isn't that a bit like turf wars.......or neighborhood gang wars?

Your statement is correct ONLY if respected by all parties. But as soon as some decide to 'visit'---OR---'register' for the sole purpose of disruption, then you are right back in a 'who's sandbox is better', childish, disruptive situation, no? And.......who benefits?

IMO.....ALL lose.




So I was more discussing the two-way street required as advocated by someone from LP--rather than the best way to deal with disruptors. On that subject, no argument. Ignore them.

And sorry this is so long. :o(


3,594 posted on 08/05/2002 7:23:46 PM PDT by justshe
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To: Jim Robinson
FR is a very needed and important site. It also provides education and perspective, as well as entertainment. It has been the genesis of much activism.

I could go on and on. I am not concerned with the costs. I know that there are sufficient numbers of steady participants and those who see real value in keeping FR around.

Keep on keepin on. You've got my support.

3,595 posted on 08/05/2002 7:23:52 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Jim Robinson
This site is one site where the 1st Amendment is still in effect. It is a God-send in the PC world of today's American public! KEEP IT GOING!

Next question?!

3,596 posted on 08/05/2002 7:26:35 PM PDT by Colt .45
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To: rintense
As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for.

Please explain what the suit against eschoir is all about.

3,597 posted on 08/05/2002 7:26:35 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim - I haven't been here very long, but joining FR felt like coming home.

I've settled in to be able to enjoy well-reasoned conversation (at least for the most part) and met folks that I otherwise wouldn't have met.

Don't go - FR plays an important role in this culture. It informs, it enriches, it supports, it provides, it promotes, it discusses, it incites, it inspires. It has a life of it's own.

Why? It just is.

And that simple fact is far more important and larger than any of the issues or problems that some insist are present. Contrary to the arguements of some, even though there is some measure of in-fighting here, it is no different than in any growing community - it has it's growing pains. But as the old saying says truthfully, "That which does not kill you makes you stronger."

Thank you for providing me somewhere where I am not made to feel like a pariah because I am not a lemming walking lock-step behind someone who is supposed to lead me because my skin is a certain color.

Thank you for allowing me to come home.

3,598 posted on 08/05/2002 7:29:54 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim I just got laid off. How much money do you need I can afford some?
3,599 posted on 08/05/2002 7:32:42 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: sinkspur
I'm one of the meanest SOB's on this site, and I know enough to avoid getting banned.

I say nothing!!

3,600 posted on 08/05/2002 7:37:43 PM PDT by Great Dane
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