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Misread Rapture? (Christian critics of 'Left Behind' series)
The Washington Times ^ | Jan. 24, 2001 | Robert Stacy McCain

Posted on 01/24/2002 12:12:38 AM PST by BurkeCalhounDabney

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:36:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Maybe people should stop worrying about "the rapture" and concentrate on living their lives well? Thinking and talking about it isn't going to make it happen.
41 posted on 01/24/2002 9:40:02 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: THEUPMAN
While I credit that these events will be seen, and seen literally, it is the nature, substance and timeline with which I have argument . I repeat, the How When and Wherefore is unknowable, though everything is hinted at and alluded to...we are not allowed nor meant to understand--as if we were reading it like yesterday's news! It won't make sense until it happens. After all, humans have a different notion of time than dieties.

I do watch and wait at events coming out of Jerusalem, particularly having to do with the old Temple site.

42 posted on 01/24/2002 9:45:09 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matthew 24:36)
43 posted on 01/24/2002 10:04:12 AM PST by THEUPMAN
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To: Physicist
So the Washington Times doesn't like "Left Behind".

Actually, the Washington Times has written several positive articles about "Left Behind."

44 posted on 01/24/2002 10:33:25 AM PST by BurkeCalhounDabney
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To: general_re
(rim shot)

LOL!

45 posted on 01/24/2002 10:54:51 AM PST by ppaul
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To: is_is
The coming of the Son of Man refers to God's returning to earth to set up his 1000 reign......you are confusing 2 different events.....

Oh really?
When did Jesus mention that the coming of the Son of Man was going to happen TWICE?

46 posted on 01/24/2002 10:58:21 AM PST by ppaul
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To: is_is
What???? because it hasn't happened yet makes it wrong.....

no man knoweth.........I think i read that somewhere before...

Matthew 24

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

47 posted on 01/24/2002 11:10:11 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: eccl1212
"What Tim LaHaye is doing in his 'Left Behind' series has been done before," says Mr. DeMar, a conservative Presbyterian and author of 16 books. "These guys have been predicting the end by reading the newspaper for centuries. ... They all have one thing in common. They've all been wrong."

2 Peter 3

3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

4 They will say, "Where is this `coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

48 posted on 01/24/2002 11:14:53 AM PST by LaineyDee
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To: THEUPMAN
WRT:your #25 post..That is why all cemetaries face east.. ;-)
49 posted on 01/24/2002 11:15:24 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: JenB; ValerieUSA;P-Marlowe
And what would you say about the literary quality of the works of Louie L'Amour? Edgar Rice Burroughs? Robert Howard?

I think that's the context in which you should view these books. As literature... well, let's not go there. But they do make some interesting characters, they do keep the action moving, they do at least make an attempt (IMHO) to take prophetic Scripture seriously and envision how it might play out.

You have to ask what an artist set out to do. Chicago's 25 or 6 to 4 is terrible as an oratorio. But it isn't an oratorio, it's rock -- and as rock, it's one of the best. How is Normal Rockwell, as a classic painter? Or Stephen King as a Novelist (note the cap)? Or Jim Carrey, as a Shakespearean actor?

So I just don't approach the books that way, so I'm able to enjoy them... mostly. I could really wish (=do really wish) that they'd done WAY more homework on the character of ben Judah, since he's so central. (More on that available on request.) I find some plot developments lurchy and inadequately-handled (though some are, I'll confess, totally page-turningly involving). But I have read every one, and I enjoy them as a light, speculative read.

BTW, Peretti has confessed that his quality needs work, and says he's trying very hard to hone his crat. Anyone seen the fruit?

Dan

50 posted on 01/24/2002 11:27:40 AM PST by BibChr
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To: Mamzelle
answer:

"for where the rotting carcass is, the vultures will be gathered unto it" on the surface seems to be a call to judgement and moral rot... NOT transifiguration and teleportation to a glorius state of new beginnings. Or so it has been argued.

Fact is, only God knows a lot of this stuff. Those who imply they do know what it all means, and who is represented by what symbol, and when it all occurs and the timetable for the flow of events... are usually just liars raising big money from vulnerable saints, or one of the vulnerable sheep who is in denial over their most recent shearing.

Jesus will come when HE is good and ready... in the fullness of time. Eschatology, is a waste of 'right here' 'right now'. Stewardship as a biblical principle requires that we consider the future and invest ourselves in it as a matter of accountability, not waste our days pining away for an event that may or may not ever occur in the ways we have been taught.

God is NOT in a hurry. He waited for the last 2 millenia for each believer to hear the gospel, receive it, live and beget children, grow old in His grace, nurture families and work, grow old and die in His mercy. He waited for each generation to be "saved." He waited for me. He will wait for as long as it takes for HIS table to be filled to the full.

Until God says "enough! My dinner has more than enough family members for my feast to begin," we are going to do what every faithful generation of believers have done since the beginning of time: wait, be thankful, and live our lives as God gives us the grace to live them.

The rest of all the eschatology hub-bub is primarily a means for raising money and bilking older, blue-haired, kindhearted saints out of their pensions.

Oh yes, and trying to scare the "unbelievers" and the "unchurched" into "changing their evil ways" to avoid getting beheaded or something later on. Of course new followers usually bring with them, a measure of financial support and influence, two rather tangible and useful elements for the "personal kingdom builders" amoung us.

Always follow the money.

51 posted on 01/24/2002 11:30:10 AM PST by eccl1212
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To: Mamzelle
Revelation is like Picasso--modern art--or the Impressionists. You can get the vision, the impression of a horrible conflagration at the End of the World, but I don't credit those who claim to understand How it will happen.

LOL.  Actually a horrible conflagration would probably improve the aesthetic value of any Picasso...
52 posted on 01/24/2002 11:36:39 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: ppaul
what? the tares... or the angels get burned? just kidding.

Gathering is for judgement.

53 posted on 01/24/2002 11:37:20 AM PST by eccl1212
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
It is remarkable that anyone would deliberately or purposefully ignore the fact that this is a work of fiction and build a critical article around it.
Isn't that normally called a straw man?
54 posted on 01/24/2002 11:39:00 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Marvin Rosenthal wrote a great book on the "Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church," after years of scripture study and having had a firm belief in the pre-trib rapture. He was soundly criticized for his change in that belief. He even lost his ministry position because of it. Another book is "The Sign," another pre-wratch rapture book. I believe we will NOT be raptured before the tribulation, but who cares what I believe? Nobody but me, I guess. I love the Left Behind series anyway because people are reading them who have never read christian novels before and are becoming more and more interested in the end times. My son is a corrections officer and he says the prisoners are always reading them. It's a good witness tool if nothing else. Good adventure, too. I haven't read Desecration yet but I've finished all the others. We need to prepare to go through whatever God has purposed for us to go through as believers. Pray and seek His face! He'll be with us. Like Corrie ten Boom, I believe, once said, you get your ticket when you get on the train. And that's the way it'll be with the rapture.
55 posted on 01/24/2002 11:40:10 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: BibChr; JenB; ValerieUSA; P-Marlowe
So, are you saying that one man's Shakespeare is another man's Tim LaHaye?
56 posted on 01/24/2002 11:41:08 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Tycobb
I believe that too. In any case, I'm living for Christ today and tomorrow and not worrying a whole lot about it all. When it comes, we'll recognize the signs beforehand and God will always reveal his plans through his prophets to his children. Wear slacks!!!
57 posted on 01/24/2002 11:42:47 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: eccl1212
Vultures.....[a]lways follow the money.

BUMP

58 posted on 01/24/2002 11:43:06 AM PST by ppaul
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To: is_is
NO...

Because it hasn't happened when it is predicted, over and over and over and over again, means that each time it has been intimated, it was a lie, used to sell books, raise money, or build a following.

Men lie ya know, even alleged religious leaders. Some deceive and others ARE deceived. Believe what you want. We need to live for right here, in the present, where God dwells with us, not in some imaginary and uncertain event for the future. While it is still called today, we need to live our lives. Planning for the future in practical terms is good stewardship. Get a job, raise your kids, love your family and friends, and face the FACT, unless there is a miracle that has not occured for 2000 years, we are ALL going to die, and most likely there will be no "magic curtain" for us, just as there has not been for the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of beleivers who have gone on before us.

That is not a bad thing, it's a good one.

59 posted on 01/24/2002 11:44:09 AM PST by eccl1212
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To: ppaul
Hmmmmm....

No.

Dan
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60 posted on 01/24/2002 11:44:32 AM PST by BibChr
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