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Low blows for higher education: Troubled by comments from Ithaca College faculty member
Ithaca Journal ^ | Tuesday, February 5, 2002 | By Brandon Crocker

Posted on 02/05/2002 4:22:55 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

You don't have to travel all the way to the Pakistani frontier to find mobs of America-hating fanatics -- just visit your nearest American university.

From Harvard to Michigan to UC San Diego, editorial comment from our future "journalists" admonish us that the Sept. 11 attacks were "not unwarranted" given our "arrogance" in dealing with the rest of the world. Demonstrations by students and professors proclaim that patriotism equals hate and that a country as criminal as the United States got what it deserved.


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To: Landru; Behind Liberal Lines; mudboy slim; 1FellowFreeper
"...Ithaca may in fact be evil..."

Ithaca is very typical of the small northeastern Liberal arts college. I attended one myself during the Vietnam era, and am often embarrassed by some of the leftist krap contained in my Alumni magazine.

21 posted on 02/05/2002 9:12:09 AM PST by sultan88
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To: sultan88
"I attended one myself during the Vietnam era, and am often embarrassed by some of the leftist krap contained in my Alumni magazine."

Well then.
I've an idea for you, your Highness.
Print this article out.
And the next time ye ol' alum come with their hand out?
Send 'em a copy. ;^)

...they might be Socialists; but, they're the $$-Oriented kind. :o)

(wanna bet that'd get their pinsized brain's attention post haste?)

22 posted on 02/05/2002 9:25:34 AM PST by Landru
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To: Landru
Interestingly enough, the same issue of the Journal had a letter from Martin Luster, Ithaca's (ultra liberal) rep in the NYS Assembly, in which he excoriates, among others, Sen. Joseph Lieberman for alleged criticism of University profs.

So in a way it has already began.

23 posted on 02/05/2002 2:28:09 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"So in a way it has already began."

HA!!
Great stuff this rhetoric business.

...well no one's ever said, the Left wasn't *organized* to the nines.

24 posted on 02/05/2002 2:33:11 PM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Don't be. You can be libertarian and still realize that a guy hopped up on PCP who led the cops on a high speed chase and refused to surrender even after being hit by a stun gun, etc., was not the victim of a rights violation.

Rodney King is far from the poster boy for the Libertarian party.

IIRC, King didn't have any drugs in his system, he was just drunk. That being said, I can understand the cops beating the hell out of him, but in all fairness I don't think it was their place to do it. The other motorists in the oncoming lane should have gotten first crack at him.

25 posted on 02/05/2002 2:36:48 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic
Perhaps but I recall seeing the video and he sure as heck ACTED like a guy hopped up on PCP.

Which is why the cops beat him.

Ironically if one of them had just shot him they'd have probably been in a lot less trouble.

26 posted on 02/05/2002 3:23:05 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Landru;GovernsLeastGovernsBest;Conservative Librarian;LibKill;bentfeather;gaspar...
The follow-up letters, including one from Prof. Barlas herself, have started.

Of special interest is the attempt to label Crocker a "neo-McCarthy"ite by Barlas over his criticism of her.

27 posted on 02/11/2002 5:28:00 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Well, as we now know, McCarthy was right.

And, along with RACIST!, MCCARTHYITE! is what libs shout when they're cornered.

28 posted on 02/11/2002 5:57:32 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
And, along with RACIST!, MCCARTHYITE! is what libs shout when they're cornered.

You forgot "sexist," "homophobe" and "mean spirited." ;-)

29 posted on 02/11/2002 6:00:04 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Thank you, BLLs.
Some quotes, and comments of my own.

"Asma Barlas
Associate professor and chair, Department of Politics; director of the Center for the Study of Culture, Race, and Ethnicity; Ithaca College, Feb. 6"

Is this an agenda-driven imbecile or is this an agenda-driven imbecile?
Choose one. ;^)
This CLOWN isn't even an American; so, the hag's use of the term McCarthism is beyond absurd.

>snip< to 2nd letter writer's opin...

"At that time a professor told us that the classical purpose of the university was to enable people to withdraw from their immediate surroundings so that they could look at the world with greater perspective; perhaps with a view to making needed changes, perhaps not."

I *think* it's more, "perhaps not" than anything else; and, always Anti-American in any event.
~eh, Lady?
As for withdrawing et al?
To Uranus & Pluto?
Then scream at the rest, "WHY CAN'T YOU SEE!??!" [us]
An university education is rapidly becoming the biggest waste of money one can possibly inflict upon themselves &/or children.

"However, I would never try to stifle dialogue in the classroom, provided the faculty are engaged in honest, reasoned discourse."

Does that make me want to gag, or what.
Lemme guess; this babe's a Liberal 'Rat & *stiffling* dialogue outside the classroom simply a matter of SOP, eh?
As I said; I'd like to wretch my guts out.

...as pointed out in a recent letter, young people will disregard the remarks of fools and scoundrels easily enough, even if they parrot them on exams to pass their courses."

Is that rich?
This idiot had better hope the *students* puke-out the Liberal's bile.
Interestingly enough the educated nonentity writing appears *OK* granting the warped, convoluted Leftist *professorate* first crack at these kids empty skulls.
However, an opposing attempt to speak an OPINION is rejected outright as some kind of threat?
Contradictions galore, Jill.

"Jill Ferguson
Village of Lansing IDIOTS, Feb. 5"

>snip< to another genius...

"I do not know Asma Barlas, and cannot say whether she hates America. But if she does, I'm still waiting for the evidence."

But that sure in the hell doesn't stop you from blathering ad infinitum now, either.
Huh?

"Jonathan Carey
Ithaca College graduate, Class of 2001, Brooklyn, Feb. 5"

...'nuff said.
Thank God in Heaven there weren't any more of these, "letters."

...these frightening examples of ignorance & nievete' on a collosal scale.

30 posted on 02/11/2002 6:04:44 AM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
bump
31 posted on 02/11/2002 6:04:57 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: Landru
Thank God in Heaven there weren't any more of these, "letters."

You're assuming there weren't...or won't be.

These three letters were the ONLY letters to the editor in today's paper.

I'll keep you posted on whether or not more come in.

Ithaca is the city of evil.

32 posted on 02/11/2002 6:07:20 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: gwmoore
It didn't matter if you were a very right-wing conservative, everyone was trying to put as much distance between them and someone who had served "there" as possible. I was trying to explain to the then "Silent Majority" that these "counterculture" people were not just "Kids, they'll get over it", but were going to one day control the education system, and through it, the governmental process. Saying that back then was usually met with derision.

The protesters of the 60's were often advised to work within the system they so detested. Bad advice in hindsight.

33 posted on 02/11/2002 6:10:27 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights;gwmoore
The protesters of the 60's were often advised to work within the system they so detested. Bad advice in hindsight.

How was it bad advice? A major proponent of this theory (she wrote her thesis on it) was Hillary Rodham, who has had a long and successful career of hiding her socialist, power grabbing agenda behind a public face of "suffering political wife who cares about kids."

34 posted on 02/11/2002 6:13:21 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
the old radical boy/girl network,

He almost had it right. It is really: The Good Ol' Radical-Boy Network.

35 posted on 02/11/2002 6:18:54 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
>From Harvard to Michigan to UC San Diego, editorial comment from our future "journalists" admonish us that the Sept. 11 attacks were "not unwarranted" given our "arrogance" in dealing with the rest of the world.

Terrorism is a counter-balance to political arrogance?

What if the issue were cast in personal terms...

Imagine that there is some cocktail party at a college hall. Imagine Bill Gates is there, among all the 30k/yr professors. If Bill Gates acts "arrogantly" toward the hoi polloi, would they be "warranted" to, say, brutally murder a couple dozen of Bill's family members in retaliation for his "arrogance?"

This "arrogance" argument has been around since 9/12. It's amazingly pervasive and it's amazingly bogus. How can such educated media types continue to put this crap forward? Just how irresponsible can the media be?

Mark W.

36 posted on 02/11/2002 6:19:31 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"You're assuming there weren't...or won't be."

HA!
No; I figure this was only today's batch.
In fact; these 3 pieces of fecal matter were probably the most legible of those recieved.
If the place is as screwed-up as you say I'm sure there was a bag full with spittle all over 'em.
As I said before, I believe you're 101% right-on-the-money about the *Liberal* infestation of the place; no doubt about it.

...there're plenty of other Urbanas & Madisons out there, alright.

37 posted on 02/11/2002 6:20:12 AM PST by Landru
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
How was it bad advice?

Because they ARE the system now. We are reaping the "benefits" of the ultra-left radicals growing up and taking the reins that our indifference has given them.

38 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:52 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights;gwmoore
Ooops. My mistake. I thought you meant bad advice for them.

You meant bad advice for us.

I see and concede your point.

39 posted on 02/11/2002 7:14:49 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: MarkWar
Believe it or not, your example is not too far off from what some of these nimwits see as reality.

About 10 years ago there was a vicious mass murder in Ithaca of an entire family by an African American.

A few years ago, a columnist recalled that murder and postulated that the family (which was upper middle class) had more or less engaged in an arrogant display of their wealth at some point prior to that, and they were robbed and murdered as a result thereof.

Trust me, no matter how extreme and evil you can imagine a leftist to be, there's always at least one Ithacite who will live up to it.

Hence the "City of Evil" tag.

40 posted on 02/11/2002 7:18:17 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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