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Outrage from New Hampshire! (Sickening! Bush Crashing into WTC)
PoliticsNY.com ^ | 2/8/2002

Posted on 02/08/2002 9:43:02 AM PST by toupsie

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To: seamole
Well done!
241 posted on 02/08/2002 4:53:39 PM PST by jimkress
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To: seamole
Wow. That's powerful. I'm going to bookmark this thread for the good writing in it. Your letter speaks to this one issue, but more broadly, it applies to a lot of liberal "humour". Very well said. Very well.

regards

242 posted on 02/08/2002 4:54:59 PM PST by okiedust
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To: lloyd9339
I have been a lifelong democrat but since Clinton and then your so called senator Jeffers (sp) and now this ,shows me have had been wrong all these years. I will never vote democratic again and the only good thing about this despicable cartoon tells me I am right.

While This disgrace published in the paper is unacceptable. I would like to clarify that Jeffords is the Flip-Flop Senator from the State of Vermont, Not NH. Our "flip-flop" senator would go by the name of Smith, whom bailed out of the Republican party, only to jump back into it.

*note: I'll be voting for Senator Flip-Flop smith in the up-coming election.

Live Free or Die Trying

243 posted on 02/08/2002 4:55:28 PM PST by Japedo
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To: sinkspur
He should apologize to the victims of the WTC disaster, and to the President, immediately.

I agree - what I meant in my post is that I hope we are keeping our responses to the editor civil - so that he does not simply disregard the reaction. By all means let him know how you feel.

244 posted on 02/08/2002 4:55:35 PM PST by Hacksaw
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RE: "Why we shouldn't have run....." A MISTAKE??? Mr. Marland is the MISTAKE!!! How I wish (in this case only), that his mother was pro-choice and opted for that solution!! MISTAKE, INDEED!!!???
245 posted on 02/08/2002 5:01:24 PM PST by In mourning for six years
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To: seamole
Good letter - please see post 244. What I was commenting on was the shoot from the hip reactions, like "You Dumb Fu#Ker...". I simply do not want the editor to have an excuse for disregarding our emails (and I sent one as well).
246 posted on 02/08/2002 5:09:22 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: toupsie
I am surprised that Marland took time out from smearing cow dung on pictures of the Virgin Mary to spew this filth in the name of free speech! I hope the advertizers like to be associated with this.
247 posted on 02/08/2002 5:13:11 PM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: okiedust
Well, I am an artist and I'm not there yet

Don't misunderstand me. I have a nephew who's an artist and the polar opposite of this cartoonist.

I wasn't bashing artists, just the editor's attempt to hide behind "art."

248 posted on 02/08/2002 5:13:17 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: toupsie
Here's mine:

Dear Sir or Madam:

Did you see today's cartoon in the Concord Monitor, which showed President George W. Bush crashing a plane into the WTC?

Do you realize how offensive this is, by showing no respect for the dead in order to score a political point?

Are you sure you want to give this paper your advertising dollars?

If they can put things of such poor taste in their newspaper, what does it make your company look like to potential customers?

Can you spell C.H.U.M.P.??

249 posted on 02/08/2002 5:17:35 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: Inspectorette
Mike Pride needs to be run out of the country. How is it that he can act with impunity so long as he's a journalist? Since when did being a journalist exalt one over us unwashed masses???? To hell with Mike Pride, straight to hell with him. I, for one, am sick and tired of people destroying the Constitution while HIDING BEHIND the Constitution. If we are to save this country, then we must begin to examine the hard decisions. I meant it when I swore to support and defend.
250 posted on 02/08/2002 5:21:02 PM PST by DonPaulJones
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To: jimkress
Here's the e-mail I sent regarding my opinion of the "apology":

Sir:

My husband and I read with great interest your "apology" for the scurrilous, hate-filled political cartoon that you published.

Your initial poor judgment is only superseded by your current arrogance and Mr. Marland's mean-spiritedness - this was not an apology to anyone. You are only "sorry" for your "mistake" because of the national outrage that was sparked by your tastelessness. I'm sure you are aware by now that you are the object of ridicule and disgust throughout the nation.

You didn't even have the decency in your non-apology to refer to President Bush by his title - you called him "George Bush" , then merely "Bush". You never once referred to him as President Bush. Your choice of terminology speaks volumes.

I live in California, so I have no idea whether or not people actually pay for your fishwrap birdcage-liner, or if people can just pick it up as a freebie outside supermarkets. However your screed is distributed, it's a waste of time, energy, and effort.

251 posted on 02/08/2002 5:23:09 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Madame Dufarge
Oh, dear Madame, I was not directing my rant to you, but to the editor, sorry for the confusion. I do think that it is the artist's job to relate, not alienate, and too often art is used an excuse to be offensive. I did not mean to offend you. :-)

regards

252 posted on 02/08/2002 5:23:21 PM PST by okiedust
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To: seamole
...a running gag to be used as contextual cage-lining for the logical mousewheel of their political dogma.

Dude, your writing's priceless!

253 posted on 02/08/2002 5:32:29 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: counterrevolutionary
He obviously does NOT get it. What a shmuck! Many of us in NH lost friends and family - it's a small population here, and I attended 4 funerals (here and in MA) because of that tragedy. In addition, ALL of us lost fellow Americans and human beings. When my husband and I drove past NYC last week, we both were silent, and not a few tears were wiped away, looking where the twin towers used to be.

So, for the editor of that nasty rag: half-assed apology not accepted, old stick. As far as I'm concerned, your newspaper and its editors, and its freelance cartoonist, can STILL go to hell.

254 posted on 02/08/2002 5:35:52 PM PST by MightyMouth
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To: in the Arena
Thanks for the link to mail em all at once I got back return mail errors on about half of the advertisers so I'm sure I was too late and they have been totally FReeped but I still let em have it.And again thanks for the link.
255 posted on 02/08/2002 5:36:33 PM PST by Rightly Biased
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To: jimkress
I wonder if Mike Pride didn't all ready have a standard "apology" editorial already written up, and maybe modified it a little bit to suit current needs. It sure seems to be a canned apology.
256 posted on 02/08/2002 5:40:16 PM PST by dbehsman
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To: BJClinton
Here is what I sent to the Concord Monitor in regards to their editorial apology:

Re: Why we shouldn't have run Mike Marland's cartoon

Mr. Pride,

I am somewhat gratified by your light retraction of Mike Marland's incredibly offensive editorial cartoon. However, your continued support of Mr. Marland and his mindset of using the incredible atrocity of September 11, 2001 to misrepresent President Bush's budgetary policy, in my opinion, nullifies any and all effort spent on your part. You might respect his talent as an artist but his judgement needs to be seriously questioned. He might even be a personal friend of yours, but the publication of the cartoon represents gross editorial malpractice on your part. It is as offensive as printing a caricature of Aunt Jemima eating fried chicken and watermelon with a welfare check stuffed in her back pocket to represent Black History Month.

You make several errors in your retraction.

Though Mr. Marland's cartoon might be copyrighted, it does not prevent fair use by private citizens in the course of public debate. As a seasoned editor, you should know better. That is basic Journalism Law 3001 at the Manship School of Journalism at Louisiana State University -- a fortunate experience of mine in college. I happened to be one of the individuals that reproduced the image under fair use on the World Wide Web for debate over its content and not commercial gain. Feel free to engage me in legal action over this. I would welcome the occasion to take this to court and further promote your editorial common sense to a national audience as the case would no doubt become. Reply to me and I will send over the relevant contact information so we can legally engage in your perceived copyright infringement. However, I feel you will want to sweep this major editorial error as quickly under the proverbial carpet as possible -- as I am sure your publisher and advertisers who financially supported this travesty would.

As an editor of a private publication, you have no ability to censor. Censorship can only occur by the actions of a governmental body. Your decisions as an editor are not a function of censorship but of the natural editorial process. Everyday of your career as an editor, you make decisions as to what should and should not appear within the pages of the Concord Monitor. That should be a function of your experience and common sense. If you wished to have excluded Mike Marland's repugnant editorial cartoon, he would still be free to publish it in other publications without fear of governmental intervention. You give yourself undue flattery over this statement and your ability to prevent Mr. Marland's constitutionally protected ability to express himself. We all have the right to speak but not to be heard.

You claim at some point in the future that the September 11th atrocity will be legitimate fuel for editorial cartoonists. Do you think the sunken grave of the U.S. Arizona is legitimate editorial fuel after 60 years? Would editorial common sense allow you to publish a Mike Marland editorial cartoon that desecrated the grave of the brave men that perished from the unprovoked assault of the Japanese on December 7, 1941? I doubt it would nor do I think in the future the World Trade Center will be legitimate fodder for cantankerous editorial cartoonists. However, your editorial decision in publishing the Mike Marland cartoon has already crossed that line. A decision, I feel, you will carry as a heavy burden the rest of your career.

The correct response by you to this editorial error should have been a full apology without reservations or explanation. To further qualify your decision in the editorial process does nothing but excuse the action as if it was the mistake of spilling milk on a clean table. I would suggest that Concord Monitor take the advertising revenue from the Friday edition and pledge it to the thousands upon thousands of my grieving neighbors through one of the various charities seeking to meet their needs.

Sincerely yours,

Robert M. Toups, Jr.
(personal address information deleted for WWW publication)

257 posted on 02/08/2002 5:42:44 PM PST by toupsie
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To: toupsie
Thanks for letting us know. A letter is forthcoming, to be sure!!!!!!
258 posted on 02/08/2002 5:46:26 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: toupsie
Your NH address should be a little more interesting to the Concord Monitor than my NYC address.

I ALSO gave my full name and New Hampshire address.

Thinking of going down to their headquarters tomorrow and burning Mike Marland in effigy!

BTW, did you notice the disgusting physical condition of that government school cell that you posted in #136 ?

D@mn&d fire hazard.

259 posted on 02/08/2002 5:49:01 PM PST by MassExodus
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To: Demidog;all
In fact I consider those cretins the real terrorists here as they are using the fear generated by this horrific act to rush everyone into giving up their rights in the name of "safety."

Don't you get it folks, 'free speech' only belongs to our country's enemies. When you express outrage at the depraved ravings of idiots like this NH newspaper, Demidog calls us 'the real terrorists'. It looks like he is ready to put us all against a wall, and shoot us, for foolishly thinking that we have the right to freedom of speech.

260 posted on 02/08/2002 5:51:13 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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