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TAX REVOLTS ARE BREWING - Punishing income earners and property owners
Ether Zone ^ | February 14, 2002 | Ted Lang

Posted on 02/10/2002 5:55:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The mishandling of taxpayer funds, as evidenced by the failures of government responded to by ever-expanding regulations, laws and new government agencies, is beginning to draw the attention and ire of the electorate. In spite of outrageously high tax rates, government failures in preventive intelligence, the rampant pardoning of safely-incarcerated terrorist felons, the non-enforcement of our immigration laws, and the obvious weakening of our military might and its unconstitutional deployment as an international police force, all have contributed greatly to our shocking vulnerability on September 11th.

The Enron debacle confirmed that $1.73 billion of taxpayer money was transferred to private sector Enron, which depended heavily upon revenues expected, for the most part, by the favorable legislation from politicians who were recipients of Enron political donations. It would seem that the money trail went from the taxpayers, to the U.S. Treasury, to government agencies such as the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corp., to Enron executives, and back again to our government, to some extent, for the personal use and advantage of America’s politicians!

The continuing frustration on the part of America’s citizens is growing! There are reports of angry property owners in several counties of Illinois where outrageous increases in property taxes are now causing citizens to engage lawyers and to assemble in over-capacity meeting places to challenge and protest the injustices of these outrageous claims against the private property of Americans.

In Tennessee, Al Gore’s home state, which he failed to carry in his infamous presidential bid, Republican Governor Don Sundquist is in the process of convening secret meetings with the state legislature in order to ram through an income tax the people don’t want. He cites a "budget crisis" that needs to be addressed.

So what’s the problem? All he and the legislature needs to do is legislate spending out of existence! What’s required is that spending be reversed in the manner legislated, described by accounting theory as "LIFO;" namely, last in first out!

Take the last brainless spending scam legislated into existence, and throw it out first. Then go to the next to last, and so on. When enough worse-than-useless spending has been eliminated in this "LIFO" manner to cause taxation to equal spending, success will be achieved! There will be no need to continue an unjust political patronage spoils system funded by an unjust Marxist income tax!

In the surreal political world created by the liberal media in New Jersey, the struggle between Democrats and Republicans throws up a smoke and mirror scenario to conceal budgetary largesse now coming home to roost in an economy devoid of the supply-side fiscal advantages so bemoaned by the very liberals who caused the current crisis. A proposed New Jersey State budget that originated at $22.9 billion has now ballooned to $23.4 billion, while expected tax revenues, chiefly dependent upon the income and sales tax, have dropped to $20.4 billion, leaving a $3 billion budget gap.

New Jersey got into this fix because of the spending under the Christie Whitman administration, a liberal Republican, who failed to cut spending and acquired revenues by floating bonds instead of doing the unthinkable; namely, raising taxes. It is still astonishing, that New Jersey survived until 1976 without an income tax, but now can’t do anything without it. The largest spending item is of course education, and looking at the achievement of all students in America, throwing more and still more money at the education bureaucracies across the land hasn’t helped at all. In fact, it can be proven to have had just the opposite effect!

In one small New Jersey town, a capital improvement plan amounting to $46.9 million will be put before the voters again on March 12th. It was first aired as a town referendum at $38.9 million in December 1998, and resoundingly defeated by voters. The education bureaucrats, both elected as well as appointed, tacked on an additional whopping $8 million, justifying this by offering that $13.3 million will be a "gift" from the State of New Jersey! But as has already been pointed out, the State is having serious fiscal problems also.

Accentuating all these across-the-board governmental budgetary problems, the promises of the IRS, DOJ, and Congressman Roscoe Bartlett are now being reneged upon in terms of responding to the We the People Foundation’s request for a redress of grievances concerning the legality of the current federal income tax. And as the income tax punishes successful earnings, the property tax progressively abolishes the right to private property!


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: taxreform

1 posted on 02/10/2002 5:55:10 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
TAX REVOLTS ARE BREWING

Boy I would love to believe this is true!

2 posted on 02/10/2002 5:59:53 PM PST by apackof2
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BUMP for hope!
3 posted on 02/10/2002 6:19:20 PM PST by Helix
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To: apackof2
In Tennessee it is. This year will bring it to a head. Over the last 13 years, average income in Tennessee has risen by about 58%, yet state spending has risen 150%.

Last year, the legislature pretended to look at ways to cut spending. Dozens of committees were assembled and given the assignment of looking into the various departments. When they gave their reports, they suggested ways to cut over $300 million from the budget but the DemoNAZI controlled Senate REJECTED EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION.

This year they have raided every fund possible and know that the revenues won't support it, yet they insist that the new budget contain $1.27 BILLION in NEW spending. Yet, they insist that there is no possible way to trim the budget.

People are getting mighty tired of being screwed over and being treated like slaves. Several legislators have been caught saying nasty things about taxpayers, calling us stupid little people who don't know what is good for us.

4 posted on 02/10/2002 6:20:41 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Someone please tell me how a revolt is possible as long as there is WITHHOLDING.
5 posted on 02/10/2002 6:26:09 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: apackof2
TAX REVOLTS ARE BREWING

And when it happens, the headline
will doubtless be...

TAXPAYERS ARE REVOLTING

6 posted on 02/10/2002 6:27:27 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Truth-in-Taxation Hearing Questions

INITIAL QUESTIONS 
January 22, 2002
(note: Additional questions to be released soon)

We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc.

399 QUESTIONS HOW MANY ANSWERS?

7 posted on 02/10/2002 6:30:31 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It's like this: it's OUR money. WE understand that. THEY don't.

If THEY cannot manage OUR money, WE should not give it to them. Otherwise, THEY will never learn how to manage it, at all.

I'm beginning to strongly suspect that the right and proper thing for a Christian in America to do, is to withhold funding this beast until it's tame. This government derives from we the people, therefore any failing on its part falls into our accountability. It is not something of its own, howevermuch it believes so. There is no "Caesar" here, only what WE have made of this on our own, with what liberty God has given us.

Taxation is no longer something for the necessity of good government. Taxation now is bad government's tool of control over the populace, though the Founding Fathers never intended for this kind of control, at all. If such men as are in high office nowadays cannot realize how wrong this is by wisdom, they must be shown it... by other methods.

8 posted on 02/10/2002 6:31:50 PM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: Tailgunner Joe
TAX REVOLTS ARE BREWING

Hope it happens in the next two months.

9 posted on 02/10/2002 6:33:44 PM PST by paul51
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To: Lizavetta
There is no withholding in Tennessee because there is no state income tax. It has been ruled unconstitutional three times yet the legislature still believes that they can pass one.
10 posted on 02/10/2002 6:33:51 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Well, their budget is based on what the expenditures happened the previous year. Every year, if they don't spend the money, they don't get the money they might need the next year. It's a total farce and a way to ensure a perpetually growing government. The people who we have in office are more concerned with spending our money than saving the taxpayers any expense. After all, it's not their money that they're spending, and raising taxes is something they can do without our consent. All it would take to get rid of our tax problem, is to create a tax form where people chose where their money was to be spent. Like itemizing your deductions, only itemizing what departments got your money. It would show our government where the citizens of America feel their priorities lie.

Of course, nobody's itemized forms would matter because it will all be spent on the things that they want anyway.

11 posted on 02/10/2002 6:34:28 PM PST by MadRobotArtist
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To: Lizavetta
Someone please tell me how a revolt is possible as long as there is WITHHOLDING.

The only way you can have a tax revolt is to get your employer to not withhold from your pay... and that ain't gonna happen.

The best way to revolt in this country is with massive non-violent civil disobedience. Martin Luther King showed you how to do it in the early sixties and the Anti-Viet Nam War protesters showed you again during the Viet Nam War.

The New American Aristocrats will only listen to the common people if they fear a change in their status.

12 posted on 02/10/2002 6:38:23 PM PST by Otis Mukinfus
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To: Lizavetta
Someone please tell me how a revolt is possible as long as there is WITHHOLDING.

Become a self-employed independent contractor...You'd be surprised how many there are, even in government offices.

You may not get tax releif but you'll get your money before IRS does.

13 posted on 02/10/2002 6:42:43 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Darth Sidious
In the Pittsburgh PA area, Allegheny County taxpayers are steaming about increased homeowner assessments. To make a long story short, two years ago the County hired an outside firm to conduct assessments on every home and property in the county. The result was a horrendous debacle of appeals which are still being decided. I personally appealed my assessment, taking to the interview a real estate agent, photos, and data concerning recent sales in my area, and my assessment was lowered by $40,000.

Now one year later, the county has again RAISED assessments--in my case, my home was reassessed at $15,000 higher than last year! Is this not a back-door tax increase?! And a judge has upheld the legality of the 2002 reassessments. On average, the reassessments have gone up eleven percent. And the county will reassess us again every three years! What an outrage, they are going to be drowning in more appeals.

14 posted on 02/10/2002 6:43:06 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Lizavetta
Someone please tell me how a revolt is possible as long as there is WITHHOLDING.

Up your deductions to the max...come filing time, go for an extention...then go for another extention...that would put you almost to the end of the present year...If everyone did this, state and federal tax alike, there would be no money coming in for at least 6 months. Do you think the gov would begin to get an idea?

AWAY IRS!

FMCDH

15 posted on 02/10/2002 6:46:18 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: apackof2
... is beginning to draw the attention and ire of the electorate.

Not likely. The sheeple aren't bright enough to figure out how badly they are getting screwed.

16 posted on 02/10/2002 6:52:26 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Education is New Jersey's biggest expense? What are they spending the money on; consultants who make sure the students learn nothing of our history or the heroism of America's founders?
17 posted on 02/10/2002 6:59:24 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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Comment #18 Removed by Moderator

To: DLfromthedesert
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/624569/posts?page=50#50,,,,, post #47

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/623225/posts?page=5#5

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618766/posts

There was a state supreme court decision about 10 years ago where an ex-catholic nun, Madeline Moorehouse took the state to court to provide a "thorough and efficient" (From the State Constitution) education to the inner-city schools. The decision Abbott vs. Burke will cost NJ taxpayers $8 Billion in school construction alone. Now, of course, they build these new schools with small classrooms to keep the class sizes down, so, they will have to hire more teachers, and so on.

Check out Stop the Debt in NJ

United Taxpayers of NJ, Cut Waste

19 posted on 02/10/2002 7:43:38 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Lizavetta
One thing we can start doing is to NEVER, NEVER, NEVER vote for any bond issues. Even if it is for "motherhood and apple pie" vote against them. Make the polls live within their means. They will steal as much as they can get.
20 posted on 02/10/2002 7:55:11 PM PST by gore3000
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To: TheDon
The Sheeple are awakening. Here in Milwaukee a recall of the County Executive is underway. He and his cronies had enriched the County Pension Plan to a point whereby our newly "retired" Sherrif left office with $300,000.00 in unused "sick" pay benefits, plus a $67,000.00 annual pension, and the Sherrif is now in the process of applying to the Milwaukee County Airport as a Security Chief to the tune of $105,000.00 to $150,000.00 annual ripoff.
(The Airport Salary would not affect is $300,000.00 kitty and his $67,000.00 pension. Sweet, isn't it?
The County Executive, under this scheme, was to receive $2,300,000.00 in 2008 for his "sick" pay benefits and an annual retirement of $167,000.00 per year. And there are other similar instances of abuse in this scheme as well. No, not all sheeple are asleep. And the group in charge of this recall are heading onto cleaning up the County Government by reducing the numbers of County Legislators. Milwaukee now has fifteen who are paid $55,000.00 per year and only one of them didn't sign this new "bonus" extension to their pension privilages.
Some of us are awake!
21 posted on 02/10/2002 7:58:23 PM PST by NewMac
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To: NewMac
What a scam!
22 posted on 02/10/2002 9:03:27 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Property tax beyond 1% is criminal since it would remove many people from their homes.

A cousin in the east says his dad pays nearly 4% in his property taxes. If my house were there that would be $10,000 a year. That is a chunk.

23 posted on 02/10/2002 9:16:04 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: TheDon
Not likely. The sheeple aren't bright enough to figure out how badly they are getting screwed.

As we approach 50-60% tax rates the sheeple are finding themselves damn near broke. Study the current world financial collapse. Nobody, very few, are gainfully employed producing something. At 45 years old I quit! I was self employed, making about 50k, living in my home state of Ca. State income tax; 9%. Federal tax; 28%. Self employment tax; 15%. Property tax, sales tax, gas tax, booze tax, tobacco tax, Auto registration, do the math. I can now go back to the near do well I was. Tax this!!!

24 posted on 02/10/2002 9:16:14 PM PST by golder
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To: Darth Sidious ; TheDon
It’s one thing to post and sign a pension. But just remember when it comes time to stand up 90 % of those that talked big and said there are with you. Will go Baaaaaa when the time comes. Basic Leadership 101. Make certain you have people who will stand with you. 80% of people are sheep 10% are semi sheep. It’s the leadership that makes a fighting unit. And why the leaders are targeted first. Look in any Club, organization even in government. you will see the numbers hold true.
25 posted on 02/10/2002 9:34:49 PM PST by quietolong
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To: lewislynn
Become a self-employed independent contractor

That's me!

26 posted on 02/11/2002 3:20:14 AM PST by Otis Mukinfus
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To: Darth Sidious
Accepting tax exempt status is one of the most stupid things a church can do. By doing so, they voluntarily give up a great portion of their First Amendment rights, particularly encouraging the members of a church to vote for a particular candidate.
27 posted on 02/11/2002 4:50:49 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bump!
28 posted on 02/11/2002 4:52:16 AM PST by FReethesheeples
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To: Lizavetta
"Someone please tell me how a revolt is possible as long as there is WITHHOLDING."

Barter. It hit Argentina bigtime as the national government there imposed a high national sales tax. Suddenly, almost all economic activity "vanished" - other than car loans and other transactions that couldn't. It was replaced by a new economy in which the math tutor wanting his kitchen sink fixed tutored the plumber's son - in exchange for an off-the-books plumbing job.

Very recently - after the total economic collapse - the BBC shortwave news reported that Argentina now has large numbers of private currency clubs - in which "money" good only among the members is printed, distributed, and used.

29 posted on 02/11/2002 5:09:00 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: Tailgunner Joe

30 posted on 02/11/2002 5:16:06 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Tailgunner Joe; all
DEFUND FREEDOM ROBBERS

31 posted on 02/11/2002 5:19:37 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: A CA Guy
ALERT for TENNESSEE taxpayers Feb 25 informal deadline for voting for MORE taxes, haynes bill for a car property tax is up for a vote TOMORROW.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/625659/posts

32 posted on 02/11/2002 5:28:27 AM PST by GailA
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To: Lizavetta
For starters we can do like all the mexicans do. Claim anywhere from 8 to thirteen.
33 posted on 02/11/2002 5:37:08 AM PST by winodog
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I am beggining to think that we need to vote against anyone that proposes to keep the current income tax system in place. The only real difference between Democarts and Republicans anymore is how much they want to spend and where they want to spend it.

The current system is reliant upon the income tax, abolish the income tax, and you abolish the power to destroy. The power to tax IS the power to destroy.

34 posted on 02/11/2002 5:47:46 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: patchpics
Thank you :-)

BUMP!

35 posted on 02/11/2002 8:29:42 AM PST by Darth Sidious
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To: ColdSteelTalon; *taxreform

I am beggining to think that we need to vote against anyone that proposes to keep the current income tax system in place.

Problem is, we are out voted.

The Coming Crisis in our Democracy

The Honorable James DeMint (R-SC)
United States House of Representatives

THURSDAY, APRIL 5, 2001
12:00 noon

"In 1996, Congress passed a historic welfare reform law that has dramatically reduced the number of Americans who depend on welfare. In spite of this positive development, Representative DeMint is concerned about the steady growth of a welfare/entitlement state that extends well beyond the poor and is forcing millions of middle income Americans into dependency.

There has been a shift in the relationship between individuals and government, he argues, such that fewer and fewer are paying taxes at the same time that more and more are receiving increasingly generous benefits. If it becomes the case that most voters do not bear a financial burden for this largess, then there will be little to restrain--and significant political incentives to encourage--the continued growth of government. And at that point, DeMint warns, we have reached a major crisis in our democracy."


 

To remove taxation of the individual, is to remove the goad which assures accountability of government to the electorate. Federal taxes are high because a majority of the electorate do not share proportionately in the burden their demand for largesse imposes on the minority of citizens.

The call for representation without taxation is the formula that got us where we are at today. The ability to hide or disguise taxation from the view of large sectors of the electorate allows the Congress to get away with the creation of the evergrowing monster that it fosters.

A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
-George Bernard Shaw

Liberty and freedom have a price, responsibility. If that price is avoided there are no brakes on the growth of government, the ultimate result is the end of freedom through creeping socialism.

Right now the bottom 60% perceive little to no "Individual Income Tax" burden,(in many cases even a handout) and they continue to clamor for more from government looking for the top 40% to pay for it, corroborated by many recent polls on the subject of people attitudes about tax reduction. That perception continues to grow ever stronger by eliminating even more participants from the Individual Income Tax rolls as proposed in the current tax reduction proposals currently on board through changes in personal exemption limits and other mechanisms such as the EITC.

Those who perceive little burden play the role of Poor little Paul:

Effective Individual Federal Income Tax Rate (Percent of gross income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
Lowest Quintile -0.6 -0.8 -0.2 -0.5 -0.2 -1.3 -1.9 -2.9 -3.4 -5.6 -6.8
Second Quintile 3.6 3.9 4.6 3.5 3.9 3.2 3.3 2.7 1.8 1.8 0.9
Middle Quintile 7.1 7.5 8.3 6.8 6.8 6.1 6.5 6.3 5.9 6.1 5.4

Those that readily perceive some of the burden.

Effective Individual Federal Income Tax Rate (Percent of gross income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
Fourth Quintile 9.7 10.4 11.3 9.5 9.3 8.7 8.9 8.7 8.5 8.7 8.4
Highest Quintile 15.8 16.3 17.1 14.5 14.3 15.1 15.1 14.8 15.5 16.2 16.1

To play the role of mean ole Rich Peter.

While Congress plays both ends against the middle; hiding the real burden in inflation, higher prices on all goods and services, lower takehome pay, lower return on investment, and higher interest rates. All keeping the poor right where they are and pushing for more freebees.

Consider that 15.3% SS/Medicare tax on the 1st $75K of wages/self-employment income, plus the 6% Federal/State Unemployment tax, all of which are but a portion of the effect of federal taxes embedded the price of all products we purchase. Taken together with the Individual tax rates above we all pay more than:

Effective Total Federal Tax Rate (Percent of reported income)
Income Category 1977 1979 1981 1983 1985 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 Projected
1999
All Families 22.8 23.4 23.5 21.4 21.8 22.6 22.5 22.6 23.5 24.7 24.2

Data from IRS collections statistics and The Bureau of Economic Analysis as compiled in tabular form by the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1545&from=4&sequence=0


We wonder why over 60% of the voters PERCEIVE no problem with the taxrates and vote for polidiots that promise to bring home the most bacon because they are the only ones that benefit from higher taxes with more spending on socialistic "gimme" programs. As this continues under Bush or anyone else for that matter, expect a liberal tax and waste congress for many years to come.

36 posted on 02/11/2002 10:53:22 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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