Catholic Interest Groups See in Scandal a Chance to Further Their Causes

FOXNEWS.com ^ | Tuesday, April 09, 2002 | Catherine Donaldson-Evans

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[EODGUY]

Wait till the groups pushing to raise Mary as a co-redimer win in the Catholic church, that will be a hoot to watch.

With all due respect, sir or madam, I cannot believe you would make such an ignorant comment about the Catholic Church and post it TWICE to boot.

The Blessed Virgin Mary's place is well ensconced in our belief system as well as scrupture.

Ugh, in the future, say nope to dope before posting. :)

Through the intercession of His Blessed Mother, Mary, I pray Jesus bestows all of His blessings upon you.

EODGUY

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

Wait till the groups pushing to raise Mary as a co-redimer win in the Catholic church, that will be a hoot to watch.

The term is Co-redemptrix.

'The term “co-redemptrix” is properly translated “the woman with the redeemer” or more literally “she who buys back with [the redeemer].” The prefix “co” comes from the Latin term “cum” which means “with” and not “equal to.” Co-redemptrix therefore as applied to Mary refers to her exceptional cooperation with and under her divine son Jesus Christ, in the redemption of the human family, as manifested in Christian Scripture.' Co-redemptrix

The Blessed Virgin Mary is not a co-redimer(sic) in the manner to which you allude.

[RWCon]

The answer is simple. Just kick out the queers!

[tiki]

But, tiki, he's right.

He wasn't right because he was talking about the people disobeying the priest when the priest was perfectly right in what he was asking

The Church needs to change the way she does things. She has to stop rejecting orthodox seminary candidates because they have the temerity to believe in Catholic teaching, she needs to root out the homosexuals and their fellow-travelers, she, in the persons of certain bishops, needs to do penance.

Amen! to this! And the people, in union, with the good priests need to stand up and ask and even yell about it. And we need to be even more faithful to God and prayers.

And we need to let "them" know who's in charge. God's in charge, as always.

Faithful Catholics need to tell anyone who will listen that we're ready to step up and claim our faith. Let them know that when there is a dispute, we stand with God and no-one else.

[inquest]

Is there any evidence that the priests who committed these crimes were ordained under any laxer tests of rectitude than priests of earlier generations?

I'll admit that I haven't studied the issue thoroughly, but at first glance it looks as though the real problem has been a culture of impunity as a way of avoiding embarassment for the whole organization: witness the manner in which the Boston Archdiocese failed to effectively deal with the deviants. It's a general problem that has afflicted almost all large organizations that have an image to keep up, throughout all ages. I don't mean to disparage Catholicism at all, but it cannot be denied that the men of the cloth in that church, as in any church, are fallen human beings like the rest of us.

[ventana]

Nonetheless, because of the confusion, and the resultant changes that ensue by this embrace, I would reject the claim of Mary as Co-Redemptrix. I will, however, continue in my deep love and admiration for her, and continue to pray the rosary, and continue to thank her for the many intercessions I confidently attribute to her. This is my humble opinion. V's wife.

[ex-snook]

"I don't mean to disparage Catholicism at all, but it cannot be denied that the men of the cloth in that church, as in any church, are fallen human beings like the rest of us. "

Fair enough, but I think the problem is not as much with the fallen human beings but with the church leadership who opened the political correct gates to accept homosexuals and place them at risk and then tried to cover up their (leadership) mistakes.

[inquest]

the church leadership who opened the political correct gates to accept homosexuals

Alright, now I'm confused. This harkens back to my earlier question: Is there evidence that there has been laxer standards for priests since Vatican II?

[Conservative til I die]

And the worst is, it's from within. What has happened to our church? Holy God, I am loosing my mind

Yeesh, Chicken Little, calm down. 100 priests does not the fall of Christ's Church make.

[Conservative til I die]

And all you traditionalist Catholics, who don't want to become like the Anglicans, are welcome to come to the open arms of the Orthodox Church, where such BS "change for the better" does not take place and will not take place. We await your arrival.

Yeah, but you guys don't recognize the Pope. Sorry, that ends the discussion of legitimacy right there.

[Conservative til I die]

Grammar is our friend.

[Conservative til I die]

Bigg Red, instead of investigating the Orthodox Church, why not investigate the Eastern Rite Catholic Church. They are very similar to the Orthodox and are full Catholics that follow the Pope. You can't go wrong.

[Conservative til I die]

Is there a reason you're here trolling the Catholic threads with a faux-Orthodox recruitment pitch?

[irishjuggler]

Is there evidence that there has been laxer standards for priests since Vatican II?

I don't know what kind of evidence you can reasonably expect beyond anecdotal evidence, and there seems to be quite a bit of that. Considering the fact that there are numerous seminaries in numerous dioceses, I should think it would be hard to produce the sort of scientific evidence of lower standards you seem to be asking for.

[Conservative til I die]

My Church is universal. It's not broken down among ethnic lines. You don't have to be from Little Odessa or Sheepshead Bay to be a Catholic.

[ex-snook]

"Is there evidence that there has been laxer standards for priests since Vatican II? "

The number of cases in the last 30 years speaks for itself. I go back further than that and it was unknown. The worst was some Priests drank.

It may not have anything to do with Vatican II but more related to the Church in its innocence being corrupted by those with their own modern agendas. Dissent and becomming political correct became fashionable. Pope John Paul was devoted to travel and relating to other faiths. I hope that God grants him the life and the will to live long enough to correct what he has overlooked.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

It is generally the opinion among quite a number of Catholic observers of the American scene since the 1960s that standards of admission to and training in seminaries have been questionable over the last few decades. Crisis magazine, a conservative Catholic journal, has run articles on this. Kenneth Woodward of Newsweek has commented on this. The recent book Goodbye! Good Men:How Catholic Seminaries Turned Away Two Generations of Vocations From the Priesthood by Michael Rose advances a thesis along these lines. Prof. James Hitchock's The Pope and the Jesuits, a 1983 expose book on liberal trends, heretical dissent, and corruption in the American Church, is very critical of the radical modernization and de-Catholicization of American Catholic religious life and the training of priests. This has definitely included the American homosexual movement's infiltration of the Church in the U.S.

The book 'Goodbye! Good Men': Click Here

Deal Hudson's "Newsletter" on myths of priestly pedophilia is available from Crisis magazine's site:

[Conservative til I die]

A brass drum beating to a host of deaf ears, A prayer to be snickered at by the heavenly host. The hour of the beast is upon the church, Satan is commanding the jaws of hell to open wide for many of the faithful shall enter having been decieved. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS DOOMED. BE WISE AND GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN

Right sure, and Jack Chick will slay the beast.

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