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Divers find remains of six 'lost temples'
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 04/11/2002 | David Derbyshire

Posted on 04/10/2002 5:54:43 PM PDT by Pokey78

A MYSTERIOUS settlement that sank beneath the waves at least 1,200 years ago has been discovered by divers off the south-east coast of India.

Granite blocks and walls that lie 20ft below the surface may be the remains of six "lost temples" that form part of local mythology.

The ruins came to light after the controversial amateur archaeologist and best-selling author Graham Hancock interviewed fisherman for a recent television series.

After hearing accounts of the myth of a submerged city, he and two dozen divers searched the sea bed last week.

India's National Institute of Oceanography, which was involved in the discovery, believes the ruins at Mahabalipuram in Tamil Nadu could be 1,200 to 1,500 years old.

But Mr Hancock, who argues that civilisation predates the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians by thousands of years, believes the city could go back to 3,000 BC.

The ruins were discovered half a mile off the coast by a team from the NIO and the UK-based Scientific Exploration Society. They include remains of walls and scattered carved blocks and stones and may cover several square miles.

According to local legend Mahabalipuram was once home to a great city. The gods became so jealous of its beauty that they sent a flood to swamp the city. Six temples were submerged, leaving just one on the shore.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: archaeology; catastrophism; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; grahamhancock; history; india; mahabalipuram; scuba; southasialist; tamilnadu; tsunami; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 04/10/2002 5:54:43 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
A Scuba bump.
2 posted on 04/10/2002 6:00:43 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: EU=4th Reich
Have you read 'Fingerprints of the Gods'? If not, reserve your judgement.

There is a lot in there that's hard to ignore.

4 posted on 04/10/2002 6:11:24 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: blam
fyi
5 posted on 04/10/2002 6:14:01 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Pokey78
I love this lost city stuff. Fascinating. I wish Atlantis would be discovered before I kick the bucket! Keep me pinged with articles like this. Thanks.
6 posted on 04/10/2002 6:14:14 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: EU=4th Reich
But Mr Hancock, who argues that ....." Isn't this the same 'Graham Hancock' that is so often quoted on 'reputable' scientic radio programs like Art Bell's Ghost to Ghost?

I do believe great minds think a like! BUT how did we both know who Art's guests are?

7 posted on 04/10/2002 6:14:53 PM PDT by WKB
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To: servantoftheservant
ancient scalar wave pulse bump
8 posted on 04/10/2002 6:17:20 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Pokey78
20 ft. bump------unlimited bottom time!
9 posted on 04/10/2002 6:20:51 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: Confederate Keyester
Id equate the unassailable fact of our 6000 year only history to Darwins Theory of Evolution-I saw side on a spider web today that would embarrass the best cad programmes available
12 posted on 04/10/2002 6:34:12 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Yellow Rose of Texas
Heads up here gal.
13 posted on 04/10/2002 6:36:39 PM PDT by amom
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To: Pokey78
The gods became so jealous of its beauty that they sent a flood to swamp the city.

20 feet deep? What about the deal off the coast of Cuba? That's supposed to be 2,000 ft.

Boy! I wonder what the locals there did to get the gods THAT pissed off????!!!!

14 posted on 04/10/2002 6:42:29 PM PDT by stboz
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To: EU=4th Reich; servantoftheservant; WKB; janetgreen
I do not listen to Art Bell and think the little green men are a little far out but who knows. And I can imagine a creative inquiring mind like Hancock might well be into inquiring about a number of things, that ultimately prove unsupportable scientifically.

I did read Fingerprints of the Gods; there are clearly some unexplained facts out there although the most significant in my view is the Piri Reis map about which I have read in a number of other places.

However far and away Mr. Hancock's best work is a book called "The Sign and the Seal". In it he unravels the most significant historical mystery, I believe correctly. And with the exception of a single chapter on possible little green man and unexplained magic explanations for God which is a direction many who reject Jesus Christ go, the book is a sound well researched document.

15 posted on 04/10/2002 6:42:48 PM PDT by David
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To: Free the USA
Thanks for the ping. Divers Find Ruins Of Mythical City Off India
16 posted on 04/10/2002 6:46:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: EU=4th Reich
"The TRUTH" exists separate from the "Belief Systems" that factual information appears to support!

The existence of a previously unknown civilization DOES NOT justify ANY Contemporary political philosophy!

AT MOST, current archaeological discoveries indicate that the Human Race has-----"Been there--Done That!!---"

Doc

17 posted on 04/10/2002 6:52:08 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Pokey78
Ahh, now maybe we'll finally determine the ancient origins of the 7-11's and Dunkin Donuts shops. This is very exciting.

The temple of the donut god. I bet it was full of cops when it flooded.;-)

18 posted on 04/10/2002 6:53:28 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: janetgreen;Confederate Keyester;stboz;david;amom;
Also, don't forget this one, 9,500 years ago. Lost Civilisation From 7,500BC Discovered Off Indian Coast.
19 posted on 04/10/2002 6:55:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: David

ART BELL ...... BUMP!

20 posted on 04/10/2002 6:57:47 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Pokey78
Is every stone building dug out of the sand, macheteed out of the jungle, or dredged out of the continental shelf a temple?
21 posted on 04/10/2002 6:58:00 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: stboz
Here's the latest on the underwater site off the coast of Cuba. Probe Into Cuba's Possible 'Sunken City' Advances If there is in fact a city 2,200 feet underwater off the coast of Cuba, wow!!, history will need to be rewritten. I hope it's there, frankly.
22 posted on 04/10/2002 7:01:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: Pokey78
Six temples were submerged, leaving just one on the shore.

She later went on to become Hollywood's darling.

23 posted on 04/10/2002 7:03:08 PM PDT by scouse
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To: Poised Woman;abner;manna;white rose
FYI.
24 posted on 04/10/2002 7:13:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: RightWhale
Is every stone building dug out of the sand, macheteed out of the jungle, or dredged out of the continental shelf a temple?

I've noticed that whenever an archeoligist can't explain what some structure or object is, he decides that its a temple, or has deep religious significance. Sometimes, they're even right.

Of course, its only modern overly-rational mankind that insists on separating the world into religous and non-religous parts.

25 posted on 04/10/2002 7:33:04 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: NYer
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell

26 posted on 04/10/2002 7:38:40 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: scouse
She later went on to become Hollywood's darling.

Rimshot....

That deserved at least one!

27 posted on 04/10/2002 7:49:53 PM PDT by GhostSoldier
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To: blam

Pot chard from 9,500 year old site off Indian Coast

28 posted on 04/10/2002 7:50:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I should have known that you would already be on top of this story.
29 posted on 04/10/2002 8:57:51 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: David
I do not listen to Art Bell

I deliiver early morning newspapers and Art is the only "talk" radio I can pick up. I listen "sometimes" just to see what the crazies are up to.

30 posted on 04/10/2002 8:59:38 PM PDT by WKB
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To: stboz;Confederate Keyester
Canadians may have found lost city

Theory of sunken town off Cuba to get support from geologist's findings
By EGLE PROCUTA-- The Canadian Press
3-29-2002

HAVANA (CP) -- Getting to the bottom of the mystery of what could be a lost underwater city near Cuba is far more exciting for a Canadian-led expedition than bringing up emeralds from a galleon on the ocean floor.

This week, their discovery of what appears to be a sunken island with massive temple-like structures will receive an important boost from an expert.

Manuel Iturralde, one of Cuba's top geologists, plans to tell an international conference of geophysicists in Havana on Friday that there is no geological explanation for the megalithic stone formations found in about 700 metres of water some four kilometres off the western tip of Cuba.

Interviewed at his office Tuesday at the National Museum of Natural History in Old Havana, Iturralde said it is still too early to say definitively that the structures are man-made.

But he is eager to gather samples from the site in April and begin solving a mystery has ignited much curiosity and debate, in Cuba and abroad, since it was first announced last December.

Iturralde's conclusion represents a vote in favour of the Canadian-led deep-ocean exploration team that stumbled upon what looked like architecturally arranged stone formations while using sonar scans to comb the ocean floor for sunken galleons in the summer of 2000.

Iturralde was initially skeptical, said Paulina Zelitsky, the exploration team's project director.

Iturralde's doubts were shared by marine archeologists in Europe, who maintained the formations were naturally occurring limestone -- a common underwater geological phenomenon. Other experts have cautioned that there's not enough evidence to suggest there is a sunken city.

"But now the scientific community is catching fire," said Zelitsky, 57, a Soviet-trained offshore engineer who worked in Canada for 30 years.

She is president of Advanced Digital Communications, the company that is joint partners with the Cuban government to salvage archeological treasures from the waters off the Caribbean island.

Her data, collected through sonar scans and videotapes of the site taken from an unmanned vehicle, show symmetrically arranged formations. Their white colour suggests they are made from cut, granite-like stone rather than naturally formed limestone, which is grey or black when oxidized, according to her team.

The megalithic formations -- called Mega for short -- occupy an area of about 20 square kilometres. Zelitsky suggests they might be the remains from a series of rooms connected by large corridors. She wonders whether they were part of a temple-like building used for astronomical purposes about 8,000 years ago.

Iturralde cautioned that more studies are needed to determine whether the formations are indeed the ruins of a sunken city. But after spending a week in mid-March mapping the site from the research ship Ulises, Iturralde said he found physical evidence of "significantly strong seismic activity ... that has not been previously recorded."

This seems to coincide with Zelitsky's theory that an earthquake may have led to the sudden sinking of an island that once lay between the Guanahacabibes Peninsula, at the western tip of Cuba, and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula.

Iturralde said it is vital to continue detailed exploration of the site, especially with video images and samples that he was unable to take in mid-March because of equipment difficulties. If the hypothesis of a sunken city proves to be true, he added, it would change the entire understanding of Caribbean history.

Advanced Digital Communications has been struggling to be taken seriously by the scientific community, said Paul Weinzweig, Zelitsky's husband and business partner.

Scientists are hesitant to think seriously about the discovery because it brings up too many questions about Atlantis, the lost underwater civilization that has ignited popular imagination for centuries.

"That's why everybody's scandalized. But there's too much baggage around this and we make no reference to Atlantis," he said in an interview last week from their oceanfront home just outside Havana.

"Cuba is the world's richest underwater cemetery."

The company's primary goal is to bring up treasures from sunken galleons.

But the exploration team, with about 60 Cubans, is finding it difficult to think about anything other than the megalithic structures.

"Right now, we're supposed to be bringing up mounds of emeralds that we've found," said Zelitsky, who several years ago led the team in locating the remains of the U.S. battleship Maine, which was blown up in Havana Bay in 1898.

"But this has taken over our imaginations."

31 posted on 04/10/2002 9:31:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Looks like writing. What is the oldest writing known? Is this it?
32 posted on 04/10/2002 10:42:15 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: blam
She wonders whether they were part of a temple-like building used for astronomical purposes about 8,000 years ago.

Can't go wrong with a guess like that. Everything was a temple or temple-like, and of course astronomy was the only science.

33 posted on 04/10/2002 10:45:00 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Pokey78
Granite blocks and walls that lie 20ft below the surface may be the remains of six "lost temples" that form part of local mythology.

20 feet below the surface? These things were never lost. They were only unknown to or ignored by educated professionals. I can guarantee you the local fishermen have always known they were there.

34 posted on 04/11/2002 12:42:16 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: janetgreen
I love this lost city stuff. Fascinating.

I agree.

I wish Atlantis would be discovered before I kick the bucket!

Me too! Or at least I wish I could hear the old Donovan song "Atlantis" played again on the radio.

35 posted on 04/11/2002 12:45:01 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: stboz
Boy! I wonder what the locals there did to get the gods THAT pissed off????!!!!

Second-hand smoke from all those Cuban cigars. At 2,000 feet deep though,that city has truly been lost!

36 posted on 04/11/2002 12:47:36 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: RightWhale
"Looks like writing. What is the oldest writing known? Is this it?"

Don't know. It has to be close though. I notice there hasn't been any further mention of the 'Etruscan like' writing from the Cuban site. They appear to have 'toned down' their excitement some.

37 posted on 04/11/2002 5:54:20 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks for the heads-up. That earlier poster was right, it's odd how so many of these "sunken city" discoveries suddenly seem to be popping up. I just wish someone other than Graham Hancock was behind this. I simply don't trust the guy--not because he's unorthodox, but because he strikes me as a bit of a snake-oil salesman.
38 posted on 04/11/2002 7:47:57 AM PDT by white rose
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To: sneakypete
Whatever it turns out to be, at least it is interesting!
39 posted on 04/11/2002 8:07:22 AM PDT by Cascadians
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To: blam
That is a note from a college student of that day saying "Send Money!!"
40 posted on 04/11/2002 8:56:31 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Pokey78
bump
41 posted on 04/11/2002 8:59:51 AM PDT by NorseWood
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To: David
However far and away Mr. Hancock's best work is a book called "The Sign and the Seal".

Thanks for reminding me about that. I started reading it but then got Fingerprints of the Gods and got engrossed in it. I'll have to crack it open again and this time finish it.

He does have some far out theories and researches them quite well. I'd stil like to know how the Egyptians created on the banks of the Nile, an exact replica of the night sky (Orion's Belt) as would have been seen in, what was it; 10,500 BC? if the pyramids were only built around 2,500 BC.

42 posted on 04/11/2002 9:17:03 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: WKB
Art Bell has alot of time to fill and gets some truly wacko guests. Occasionally, though he has very interesting people. And Art is a terrific interviewer. His two hours with LtCol.Corso was fascinating. I used to travel late at night and his show was everywhere on the AM dial. (Donning my asbestos suit as I post).
43 posted on 04/11/2002 9:17:39 AM PDT by SurferDoc
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To: SurferDoc
Occasionally, though he has very interesting people

He had Hal Lindsey on one night and Hal gvae him the plan of salvation every chance he got!

44 posted on 04/11/2002 11:07:02 AM PDT by WKB
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To: Pokey78
The lost city of Biltooclosetodawata?
45 posted on 04/11/2002 11:13:11 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: AFreeBird
I tend to think the pyramids were built much earlier but by whom, when and how I have not got a clue. Somewhere God says in the Bible that he has left a sign in the boundaries of Egypt--I have wondered if the pyramids might not be the sign. Who knows. I am sure you know, the pyramids are beyond our technical capility to duplicate today. I have a book by some expert on composits that theorizes that the blocks were not carved but are rather poured composits.

Sign and Seal is also very interesting reading. The significant points are that during the period from about 600 BC until about 200 BC, there was a Jewish temple located on the island of Elephantine in the Nile in Egypt. Letters from the priests on the island have turned up. Eugene Falstich used those letters to establish chronology of the Median and Babylonian kings. Hancock's real thesis which I think has considerable merit is that during the reign of Mannasah in Judea, the priests took the Ark of the Covenant from the Temple to a new temple they constructed at Elephantine where they stayed with the Ark until they were kicked out in about 200 BC at which point they proceeded on up the Nile to Lake Tara in Ethopia and then ultimatly to Aksum where the Ark is now located.

47 posted on 04/11/2002 12:29:05 PM PDT by David
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To: Cascadians
Whatever it turns out to be, at least it is interesting!

You betcha! I love this stuff.

48 posted on 04/11/2002 3:23:27 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: David
I think you're right about them being built earlier, but by whom is the question. The Sphynx, according to Hancock's geological analysis, clearly show extensive water errosion, and there hasn't been that much water there since well, the last ice age. That of course was very much earlier than the "officially" accepted date of its construction.
49 posted on 04/12/2002 6:20:16 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Pokey78
hmmm...i suspect this will bring forth new interpretations of the famous "fall of ghanja" sculptures at mahabalipuram...arjuna as noah??...
50 posted on 04/12/2002 9:39:19 AM PDT by atafak
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