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Southern pride rising ... rankling
4-14-02

Posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983

RALEIGH, N.C. (2001-01-25) Vicky Poston is a Reb with a cause.

When Alcoa Inc. banned Confederate symbols from workers' cars at its North Carolina plant last year, Ms. Poston did something rare for a propriety-conscious Southerner: She took to the streets in protest.

As big rigs honked in support and a protester waved the battle flag from a Ford Mustang convertible, Poston and 150 activists pushed the big aluminum firm to scale back its ban on Confederate license plates, bumper stickers, and other regalia.

After years of enduring similar prohibitions on things Confederate, emboldened Southerners are increasingly donning their Dixie duds and unfurling traditional state flags in defense of embattled Southern heroes and symbols.

From the palm-fronded streets of Charleston, S.C., to the historic storefronts of Selma, Ala., the movement reflects a reawakening of traditional Southern pride and a strong sense of regionalism.

Indeed, the growing backlash against efforts to take down the flag - including the recent legislative battles in South Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi - may signal a deeper shift in Southern culture. The rise of a new political class of Confederate sympathizers indicates that many are ready to reawaken Confederate ideals such as states' rights and sovereignty.

To be sure, Southern partisanship evokes images of Jim Crow and slavery to much of the country. And ominous motives may well lie behind some of the activists. Yet experts say many of those embracing the new movement are driven more by regional pride, resistance to the Federal government, and a desire to reconnect with a lost heritage. They'd like to recast the South as the last bastion of civility, independence, and constitutional ideals.

Critics, though, see darker tones in the surge in Southern pride - and a collision with the values of the New South.

"These guys are very much building the intellectual capital which they hope to make the foundation for a ... reborn Confederacy," says Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

Southern partisans are certainly rallying the troops:

*Last Saturday, more than 2,000 people showed up in Atlanta to celebrate the birthday of Confederate General Robert E. Lee - most years, the celebration draws about 300 people.

*Southerners are increasingly putting up new Confederate monuments along the South's tobacco roads. A statue of a controversial Civil War general went up near a black neighborhood in Selma, Ala., late last year.

*This weekend, League of the South will open its North Carolina State University chapter in Raleigh - one in a string of recent gambits to bring Southern youths back to Confederate ideals. The director says the league's South Carolina chapter saw a 300 percent increase in membership last year.

*After a five-year planning period, the Southern Party was formed last year in Asheville, N.C. It advocates regional independence and the end of the South's role as "the nation's whipping boy."

In perhaps the greatest show of Confederate unity yet, thousands of battle flags went up on memorials and front lawns across South Carolina the day they removed the flag from the statehouse last June. "It was like Christmas in Cuba," says Mike Tuggle, the leader of a Southern independence group in Charlotte, N.C.

Some say the pro-Southern activities are in part a reaction to anti-Southern efforts. "People are having to stand up for what they believe in," says Chris Sullivan, editor of the conservative Southern Partisan magazine in Columbia, S.C.

Despite an explosion in their numbers, these new Confederate sympathizers, like their forefathers, are still outnumbered.

Southern partisans are losing the big battles. A travel boycott by the 500,000-strong NAACP finally pushed the South Carolina legislature to move the Southern cross state flag from the top of the State House to a nearby soldier's memorial. On Wednesday, facing a similar boycott threat, Georgia's House of Representatives voted to redesign the state flag to minimize the Southern cross.

And in what promises to be a bellwether gauge of the feelings of the New South, Mississippi residents will go to the polls for an April referendum to decide what to do about the Confederate insignia on their state flag.

While many Southerners claim the St. Andrew's cross is a proud symbol of a heritage and principles their forefathers fought to save, others call it an "ugly memory." They recall the 1950s, when many state capitols unfurled it as a show of Southern defiance against federal desegregation measures.

And the idea that the country has decided to erase all things Southern is unfounded, says Potok. "The war occurred, and there's no point in pretending it didn't. Besides, removing all signs of the Civil War is a little akin to the Soviets airbrushing assassinated leaders out of photographs."

In the end, the reawakening of Confederate ideals is about much more than tugging on an old flag. Deeper historical, religious, and political forces are at work, says Walter Williams, chairman of the economics department at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. "A lot of this might be the resurrection of some ... issues that led up to the War Between the States in 1861," he says. "Specifically, the heavyhandedness of the federal government. And that's why you're seeing a lot of renewed interest in the 10th Amendment and states' rights."

At least in the South, the old Confederate ideas have found fresh root in the red Dixie clay. "I think it comes down to the simple fact that [people] are alienated in modern life," says Mr. Tuggle. "There are a lot of changes going on.... The Confederate heritage gives you something very important to hold onto."


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1 posted on 04/13/2002 10:36:17 PM PDT by JohnnyReb1983
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Do you have a link to this article, or could you list the source, please?
2 posted on 04/13/2002 11:04:43 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: JohnnyReb1983
My 16year old son's room is covered in confederate flags. A few of his black friends have seen them and nothing was said. He does not see it as a racial issue but a prohibition of something historical.
3 posted on 04/13/2002 11:10:02 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Seems to me that anytime anyone who attacks your value system and then demands more welfare from you on top of it is clearly setting themselves up for confrontation.

For too long, Blacks in America have been given a free ride on too many issues and allowed to complain about anything without accountability.

Accountability is the defining issue of issues in conjunction with setteling the problems of the Black Community. As long as the pimps like J.Jackson and Al Sharpton are allowed to side-step accountability, to never demand personal accountability for unwed mothers and then produce them within their own society, e.g., black society, then blacks will have grievences.

Attacking Southern or Civil War icons is not the issue, it is the issue of personal accountability; Kinda makes you see why democrats are democrats and Republicans who pay taxes and are responsible citizens in communities are Republicans.

4 posted on 04/13/2002 11:13:40 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: JohnnyReb1983
How many time must they lose the Civil War?
5 posted on 04/13/2002 11:14:50 PM PDT by Goodness Gracious
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Never mind, I found it. Click here to go to the Christian Science Monitor article.
6 posted on 04/13/2002 11:16:04 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: wirestripper
He does not see it as a racial issue but a prohibition of something historical.

Further evidence that public schools are in need of reform.

7 posted on 04/13/2002 11:16:19 PM PDT by Goodness Gracious
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To: JohnnyReb1983
Darn! That didn't work. Try this link to go to the Christian Science Monitor article.
8 posted on 04/13/2002 11:19:19 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: Goodness Gracious
You would prefer that public schools teach that the civil war was all about freeing the slaves and nothing else?

We don't teach that in the South.

9 posted on 04/13/2002 11:24:15 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Goodness Gracious
How many time must they lose the Civil War?

That the problem with the Union thinking on the defensive. You have to win defense EVERY time.

The guy attacking (the Confederacy) only has to get lucky once.

BTW ... it was about state's rights ....

10 posted on 04/13/2002 11:29:56 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Goodness Gracious
"Further evidence that public schools are in need of reform."

Actually, it shows that there are still some kids who resist brainwashing.

11 posted on 04/13/2002 11:38:29 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: JohnnyReb1983
I don't know but maybe some of the Southerners are just fed up with all mind numbing senseless liberal clap they're seeing and they want out of that loop. So they fall back on their old flag and the virtues and values that existed in this country about 5 decades ago?
12 posted on 04/14/2002 12:22:37 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: wirestripper;*Dixie_list
We don't teach that in the South.

I saw a Maryland PBS program a few weeks ago about the public school Standard of Learning exams in Maryland, Virgnia, and Masschusetts. One of the segments was a large table full of Virginia educators trying to decide on which questions to ask on the exams. They knew their job was important as their questions would influence the curriculum taught in classrooms.

What I found interesting concerning the discussion on the Civil War/War of Northern Agression/War Between the States was that it replicated the debates we find here at FR. Teachers and historians on the panel held firm that the CW was not going to be taught simply as a war about slavery and was going to include all the reasons.

13 posted on 04/14/2002 4:44:17 AM PDT by Ligeia
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To: JohnnyReb1983
"And the idea that the country has decided to erase all things Southern is unfounded, says Potok. "The war occurred, and there's no point in pretending it didn't. Besides, removing all signs of the Civil War is a little akin to the Soviets airbrushing assassinated leaders out of photographs.""

Gee, Potok, that appears to me to be EXACTLY what you and your cronies want.

14 posted on 04/14/2002 4:53:06 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: shuckmaster;stainlessbanner
fyi
15 posted on 04/14/2002 6:37:35 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Unbelievably Patriotic
Unbelievably Patriotic-Freeper since April 13, 2002.

You wimps are sooooooo obvious.

18 posted on 04/14/2002 8:18:19 AM PDT by jslade
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To: JohnnyReb1983
"These guys are very much building the intellectual capital which they hope to make the foundation for a ... reborn Confederacy," says Mark Potok, editor of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report in Montgomery, Ala. And the size scares him. "You have 9,000 and 15,000-person membership rolls, huge groups littered with PhDs, doctors, and lawyers, which are vastly more politically dangerous than any Klan or neo-Nazi group could ever be."

GOOD! I hope we scare the commie bastards right out of Montgomery, the South, and on to Havana or Beijing where they belong.

19 posted on 04/14/2002 8:20:40 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: Unbelievably Patriotic
The people who speak of and practice "Southern pride" are nothing but traitors to our Great and Superior Country and should be executed alongside the other traitors, such as Johnny bin Walker. I'm also appalled that some of you people don't see a problem with this " Southern pride". You are also traitors. "Southern pride". *spits in disgust* WHAT ABOUT AMERICAN PRIDE, HUH?!?!?!?

YAWN!

20 posted on 04/14/2002 8:26:17 AM PDT by southern rock
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