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Copper Sunday - a Message to the Catholic Bishops
4/26/2002 | me

Posted on 04/26/2002 6:56:28 PM PDT by history_matters

CATHOLIC ACTION

COPPER SUNDAY

May 19, 2002

If you are Catholic and you favor

(1)ONE STRIKE, YOU'RE OUT,
(2)criminal prosecution of all perpetrators of sex crimes
(whether cardinals, bishops, priests or deacons),
(3)weeding homosexuals out of the seminaries; and,
(4)the promotion of orthodox leaders in the Church

show your displeasure with the current inaction
of the US Catholic Cardinals and US bishops by putting
only a single penny
in the collection basket on Sunday, May the 19th, 2002.


Remember to pray, fast, and make sacrifices for the welfare of the Catholic Church, for the Pope, and for Christ's godly and holy priests.

Remember to pray a ROSARY FOR PRIESTS on Sunday MAY 12th.


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To: history_matters;dighton;Orual
Thanks for pinging me. Not to brag, but this is my idea, proposed originally to Domestic Church on a thread which has since been deleted. (Thanks a lot, site pests).

References follow:

Thread title:
Boston Cardinal Law Says Will Not Resign

Posted by aculeus to Domestic Church
On News/Activism Apr 12 8:49 PM #123 of 314

Why not organize a "Copper Sunday"? Donate only one penny in the collection basket. If it all American Catholics did it nationwide the hierarchy would get the message. If they didn't ... repeat as necessary. [this is quoted from my reply 106/314]

Oooooooh. I like this idea...Copper Sunday! Now which Sunday? We need a little time to spread the idea.

Go for it!

Consider a "vanity" posting here at FR to promote the idea. Pick a Sunday at least a month in the future to give time for it to percolate.

(I am not a practicing RC.)

A further suggestion: email Bill O'Reilly. He might like the idea.

51 posted on 04/27/2002 10:39:46 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: JosephW; history_matters
Your priest may be able to lead you in a way to still help the parish and the poor while making sure the message is received by those that need to hear it.

Thanks, Joseph & HM for your advice. I have a few things to take into consideration, though.

First, my parish, which is a Franciscan parish, has put out a directive urging the faithful to report all religious and clergy abuse of minors long before the Boston scandal broke out. This was precipated by an earlier sex scandal some years back that forced the closure of the Franciscan seminary in Santa Barbara, as discussed in this revealing article:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ACADEMIC/FULLHEAR.HTM

Also on April 13, the Archbishop had convened all priests in the archdiocese to discuss the current scandal and to incorporate what they have discussed in the homily on Good Shepherd Sunday, which they did. I am sorry I can't give you details of how it was incorporated in the homily - I was seated at the far side of the sanctuary just as the sound system failed, but it was reassuring to know that the matter was at least taken up.

But thanks for what you said, I'll personally talk with our priest on how I feel about the cowardly episcopates.

The irony about our proposal to withhold our contributions to our parishes for one Sunday will fall on me personally like a ton of - well, iron - because being cantor, commentator, and song-leader, I do urge the congregation at Mass, just before announcing the offertory hymn, to "give generously to our parish. That in the Gospel, the Lord does remind us that "the laborer deserves his living (Mt 10:10)", meaning that our priests do earn their material support. I can't imagine myself not following that biblical teaching for one Sunday just because a few really really rotten apples deserve to have a millstone around their necks and be cast into the sea.

I am not minimizing the seriousness of the current Church crisis. I myself had been an "indirect victim" of this evil 45 years ago, just as Vatican II was convening, and it devastated my young mind even then.

Your priest may be able to lead you in a way to still help the parish and the poor while making sure the message is received by those that need to hear it.

I will certainly discuss the matter with my priest. Thanks for your suggestion.

Peace and all good.

52 posted on 04/27/2002 12:43:00 PM PDT by sfousa
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To: patent; Dr. Brian Kopp; tiki
Bump to Post #50
53 posted on 04/27/2002 3:17:42 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: Renatus
Your very unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics is so obviously self-serving and pathetic.

"Don't forget to mention that those who practice artificial forms of birth control are also attacking the sanctity of the family. They too are degenerates."

Got your panties in a bunch, Renatus??? Your broad stroke got your transparent paint all over you.

It's gratifying to know that the Sacrament of Matrimony is something sodomites and lesbians can not do if they profess to be Roman Catholics. To do so would be a mortal sin, and for an ordained priest it would be the last act he would dare presume to attempt.

The boastful proclamation of like sexes, as sinfully acted out in San Francisco Bay Area Roman Catholic Churches, is also contrary to the Word of God. Proclaiming that sin in His House is undeniable and intentional blasphemy.

That practicing sodimites dare accept a consecrated host is an abomination for which the sinner will spend an eternity in hell.

It is one of the unforgivable sins.

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. Romans 1:22 - 2:1.

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ." Jude 1:4.

Did you hear about the Christian arrested and found guilty for preaching the Bible. It was determined that the Word of God - that which the guy preaching - was a hate message against sodimites.

Sodimites hate all the world's religions, because all condem the degenerate act of sodomy. Our God, The Trinity, the God of the Roman Catholic Church, is hated by these evil doers as well.

Why then do sodimites to want it both ways - religiously speaking???

They insist on desecrating the Sacraments of His Church, while on the other, causing the arrest and conviction of anyone who dares to point out where God Almighty declares sodomy a sin. They call it hate talk. These sinners simply hate all that is good, whatever the source.

May they, one and all, receive their judgment. Soon.

54 posted on 04/27/2002 4:43:00 PM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Domestic Church
Another possible ally: Mike Barnicle.
59 posted on 04/27/2002 6:54:09 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Robert Drobot; Renatus
Your very unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics is so obviously self-serving and pathetic.

This so-called "unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics" is not Renatus'at all, but the universal teaching of Roman Catholicism.

See Humanae Vitae.

Or the Catechism of the Catholic Church for that matter.

But don't condemn Renatus for simply pointing out that all of Christianity for all time has condemned contraception, and the reformers called it sodomitic sin. All sex made deliberately non-procreative is sinful. That is Natural Law and the constant unanimous teaching of the entire history of Christian moral theology (until of course the protestants abandoned same teaching in 1930)

When I see posts such as yours its hard not to conclude that you are trying to rationalize/justify your own mortal sin of contraception and/or sterilization. (Of course, to conclude such would be making a dangerous assumption, so I will refrain from doing so.)

Oh, Yes, I said mortal sin.

You know, the kind for which one can go to Hell for eternity when done with full consent and knowledge? That too is still a teaching of Roman Catholicism.

60 posted on 04/27/2002 10:47:26 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"This so-called "unfortunate condemnation of married Roman Catholics" is not Renatus'at all, but the universal teaching of Roman Catholicism."

And pigs fly.

There you go again.

Your completely false and whole cloth fabrication that contraceptives play a role within my marriage is on par with Renatus describing all married Roman Catholics as degenerates - killers of the unborn - asserting the baseless and foolish argument that all Roman Catholics having received the Sacrament of Matrimony must, by default, use contraceptives.

What hospital gave you guys access to a computer?

61 posted on 04/28/2002 12:04:20 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot
Forgive me if I have misunderstood you. Renatus made a statement regarding the sinfulness of contraception, for which you strongly criticized her.

I assumed your criticism was not of her but of the RCC teaching against contraception.

To clarify, do you accept and support Humanae Vitae, and you are simply upset that Renatus wrongly assumes most Catholics reject Humanae Vitae?

Or do you reject Humanae Vitae and the RCC teaching that contraception is inherently evil, and if done with full knowledge and consent is mortally sinful?

62 posted on 04/28/2002 12:34:27 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Robert Drobot
Your completely false and whole cloth fabrication that contraceptives play a role within my marriage

Its good to know this. Actually I made no such fabrication. My words were simply:

When I see posts such as yours its hard not to conclude that you are trying to rationalize/justify your own mortal sin of contraception and/or sterilization. (Of course, to conclude such would be making a dangerous assumption, so I will refrain from doing so.)

but the universal teaching of Roman Catholicism."

And pigs fly.

Here I do not know if your flying pigs are referring to Humanae Vitae or Renatus, but I assumed the former. Could you clarify?

63 posted on 04/28/2002 12:39:15 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Let's get this thing back on track.

What I do in my bedroom, or if I'm a 'good' or 'bad' Roman Catholic is way off the mark.

This thread's attempting to cope with molding a logical response to the omissions of an unabashedly arrogant group of men who have lost sight of their vows, the temporal nature of their charge, and the immense harm they have brought within His doors; all under a suicidal Trojan Horse banner titled 'INCLUSION'.

"....it is never lawful, even for the gravest reasons, to do evil that good may come of it ...."
- Humanae Vitae, Encyclical of Pope Paul VI On The Regulation of Birth, July 25, 1968

Rome would do well to heed it own dictum, especially now.

64 posted on 04/28/2002 2:46:02 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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To: history_matters
Retirement Home for Homosexual Child Abusers
65 posted on 04/28/2002 3:20:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: allend
He already did that, allend. Since he became Archbishop he instituted that policy at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary.
66 posted on 04/28/2002 4:03:39 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: Robert Drobot
What I do in my bedroom, or if I'm a 'good' or 'bad' Roman Catholic is way off the mark.

This thread's attempting to cope with molding a logical response to the omissions of an unabashedly arrogant group of men who have lost sight of their vows

The problem is not limited to priests but pandemic to all of Catholicism, Christianity, and the culture at large.

The problem is the acceptance of the culture of death within the Church.

The culture of death has four chief pillars:

1)contraception,
2)abortion,
3)homosexuality, and
4)euthanasia.

Discussion of Contraception is salient to this thread for one obvious reason:

It's acceptance by Christianity in general and Catholics in particular is the keystone holding up this whole culture of death (see my profile page for more info.)

Homosexual priests cannot call married couples to chastity within marriage because their own sodomitic sin guts their moral standing upon which to make that call.

Likewise, married couples committing the sodomitic sin of contraception lack the moral authority to call others to chastity, because their own sodomitic sin guts their moral standing upon which to make that call.

Renatus was correct to point out this correlation. She sees the big picture.

You apparently do not. I welcome any statement from you that would indicate otherwise, but all you have done so far here is mock faithful Catholics who comprehend the import of Humanae Vitae and the obvious connection between 2 seemingly different sodomitic sins.

67 posted on 04/28/2002 7:56:16 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: history_matters
I agree with this strategy because money talks when morality has evidently been forgotten.
68 posted on 04/29/2002 7:30:34 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: *Catholic_list; Dr. Scarpetta; Diva; COBOL2JAVA; appleton14; brat; frogandtoad; Domestic Church...
A reminder ping ....

Can any of you get this info to Bill O'Reilly?

69 posted on 05/06/2002 2:18:18 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
I could not find an email address for O'Reilly, so I sent the announcement to the head of WND, and asked to post it or send it along to O'Reilly.

Please let me know if there are other ideas. Thanks HM.

70 posted on 05/06/2002 2:54:34 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: history_matters
I believe his site is ---oreilly@foxnews.com
71 posted on 05/06/2002 3:27:30 PM PDT by chatham
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To: history_matters
Abuse cases making Catholic donors leery
By Rachel Zol....Associated Press writer

Edward Ricci was sickened as he watched his bishop, the Most Rev. Anthony O'Connell, resign in March from the Diocese of Palm Beach, Fla., after admitting to sexual misconduct years earlier in another state.
But Ricci is no ordinary parishioner venting his anger in cyberspace.
He is a major Catholic philanthropist, threatening to withhold his six-figure donation to his church unless the nation's bishops agree to oust all errant clergy. Through his Web site, www.nopeds.org, he is urging other Catholics to join him, and some benefactors already have.

A bump in support.

72 posted on 05/06/2002 4:11:12 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Angelique
Rather than the 'copper sunday' I would suggest a petition with your suggestions on line. People may then sign and make appropriate comments. This can then be circulated throughout the country, the internet would be the ideal place to start.....Can you imagine the groundswell, the Bishop's conference in Dallas during the month of June(I believe the date is correct)would have to take serious note of our dissatisfactions.

e.g.,The petition circulated on the Sept.11th concerning the flag raising was a tremendous success...Why not give this a chance.

73 posted on 05/06/2002 4:18:44 PM PDT by ejo
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To: ejo
I think you have a fantastic idea!!! Do you want to do it or shall I? Or a joint endeavor?
74 posted on 05/06/2002 4:28:50 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: ejo
We should include HM.
75 posted on 05/06/2002 4:30:19 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: ejo
ejo, can you lead the effort:? I don't know how to do the online petition which I think is a fantastic idea.
76 posted on 05/06/2002 4:36:13 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Thanks for the notice but I don't think I can do that. I go to a very poor, inner-city parish run by Capuchins. By not giving them money will only hurt my pastor and the huge school bills he has to pay. I have let my bishop know how I feel.


77 posted on 05/11/2002 7:51:18 PM PDT by Coleus
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Mail in your offering to the parish office and only put a penny in at the weekend Mass you attend.

In any event, a Copper Sunday bump for everyone living in a wretched archdiocese or diocese.

78 posted on 05/17/2002 11:45:20 AM PDT by Siobhan
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79 posted on 06/29/2007 9:09:04 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: Coleus
Yeah, I think about the lower-income kids on scholarships at our parish’s school. If enough people withhold their tithe it could easily kick a poor kid or two out of school for the next year.
80 posted on 06/29/2007 9:16:44 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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