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White House reverses [decades old] stand on right to bear arms
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, May 8 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/08/2002 11:57:58 AM PDT by Patriotman

White House reverses stand on right to bear arms

Associated Press

Washington — Reversing decades of Justice Department policy, the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.

At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the case need not test that principle now.

The administration's view represents a reversal of government interpretations of the Second Amendment going back some 40 years.

"The current position of the United States ... is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms," Solicitor-General Theodore Olson wrote in two court filings this week.

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Mr. Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney-General John Ashcroft that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

Mr. Ashcroft caused a stir when he expressed a similar sentiment a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association.

"While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a 'collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Mr. Ashcroft wrote.

Critics accused him of kowtowing to the gun lobby and of undermining federal prosecutors by endorsing a legal view 180 degrees away from what has been official Justice Department policy through four Democratic and five Republican administrations.

At the time that Mr. Ashcroft wrote the letter, it was unclear whether he was expressing his personal view or stating a new policy position for the government. That question was mostly answered last November, when he sent a letter to federal prosecutors praising an appellate court's decision that found "the Second Amendment does protect individual rights" but noting that those rights could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions."

That opinion by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals went on to reject arguments from Texas physician Timothy Emerson that a 1994 federal gun law was unconstitutional. The law was intended to deny guns to people under judicial restraining orders.

"In my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment," Mr. Ashcroft told prosecutors.

Mr. Emerson appealed to the Supreme Court, putting the Justice Department in an awkward position. Although the government won its case in the lower court using the old interpretation of the Second Amendment, Mr. Ashcroft had switched gears by the time the case reached the high court.

Mr. Olson's court filing on Monday urged the Supreme Court not to get involved and acknowledged the policy change in a lengthy footnote. Mr. Olson also attached Mr. Ashcroft's letter to prosecutors.

Mr. Olson made the same notation in a separate case involving a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of federal law. In that case, the government also won a lower-court decision endorsing a federal gun-control law.

The Justice Department issued a statement Tuesday night saying its latest comments reflect the Attorney-General's position in the November letter to prosecutors.

"This action is proof positive that the worst fears about Attorney-General Ashcroft have come true: His extreme ideology on guns has now become government policy," said Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which promotes gun control.

Mr. Barnes noted that other federal appeals courts and the Supreme Court have not found the same protection for individual gun ownership that the 5th Circuit asserted in the Emerson case.

The Supreme Court last ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment in 1939, when it said the clause protects only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well-regulated militia."


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To: Patriotman
Ted Olson & Ashcroft make me happy and proud that Bush is in the White House.
41 posted on 05/08/2002 12:54:34 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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This is great, but some spare tires and hairy bellies make me wish there wasn't a right to bare midrifts.
42 posted on 05/08/2002 12:58:38 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: caisson71
Does if you are a liberal, they really can't count, don't think it is even important!
43 posted on 05/08/2002 12:58:57 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Can't be. Bush ain't no conservative! < /sarcasm>
44 posted on 05/08/2002 12:58:58 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: ppaul
Of course. You should know by know, Bush can do no right. The marxists (shh) Constitutionalists on this forum will continue to straighten you out about this fact.
45 posted on 05/08/2002 1:00:53 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
....the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.

I could have told them that 50 years ago.

46 posted on 05/08/2002 1:01:04 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: caisson71
It's "decades" old stance. That means it has been official government position for about 40 years. Even under Reagan. Only under "liberal" Bush has it now changed.
47 posted on 05/08/2002 1:05:12 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Jay W
"... I am glad that the Bush administration has reversed this long-standing policy, but worry how long it will last."

At the longest, it will last until the next Attorney General of the US rescinds the policy or until the current Attorney General changes his mind.

At the briefest, it will last until the next US citizen is prosecuted by the US Justice Department for non-violent firearm-related crimes -- namely, sometime this afternoon.

This 'change in position' by Ashcroft that we're all supposed to be celebrating to the heavens means absolutely nothing.

48 posted on 05/08/2002 1:05:22 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: flamefront
What worries me is the same thing: why NOT bring it to the SC, if in fact the official policy is to agree with Emerson (and us)?

Unfortunately the effect is to take a case which was on its way to the SC and, correctly ruled, would have overturned many unConstitutional laws, and derail it. Or, the effect of a pro-2nd official stance is that anti-2nd laws shall remain in effect; and later, if an anti-2nd administration gets in, the structure of bad law will remain on which more bad law can be built.

The Administration (an ethical one, anyway) is not entitled not to enforce the law; that duty is only removed if the law is removed. Only the SC (effectively; since lower rulings are appealed) or the Congress can remove these bad laws, and we certainly know that Congress is not going to help us here. Even if we get some repeals through the House there is no glimmer of hope from the Senate.

Wish I was more optimistic; I hope only that the SC will choose to hear the case anyway and that since both sides (Emerson and the administration) agree now that the ruling would then be overwhelming and decisive.

49 posted on 05/08/2002 1:05:44 PM PDT by No.6
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To: ppaul
Anything firearm related legislation that came out of the government after the Bill of Rights would not ever be good. You know people praise it when conceal-carry passes in a certain state but any laws a state passed on the restriction of conceal-carry in the first place violates the 2nd Amendment. Essentially they are doling out priveleges, with restrictions, that should should never have been taken away from our rights in the first place.
50 posted on 05/08/2002 1:10:35 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Yeehaw! Thanks for the heads up!
51 posted on 05/08/2002 1:12:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Excellent news. Thank you.
52 posted on 05/08/2002 1:13:54 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ooooh! This is GREAT news!
Thanks for the ping, Tonk.
53 posted on 05/08/2002 1:16:35 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: mhking
heheheh! Emily Litella bump!

;o)
Thanks for the smile!

54 posted on 05/08/2002 1:19:21 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: stands2reason
Interesting. Those who support the Constitution you label as marxists? Where did you learn your politikin? Why not just call us environmental facist perpetuators of genocide? It would be as equally inaccurate.
55 posted on 05/08/2002 1:24:43 PM PDT by Hard Case
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To: Patriotman
That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Hmmmmmm.

Fully automatic firearms are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Semi-automatic firearms are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Rifles are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Shotguns are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Pistols are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Revolvers are particularly suited to criminal misuse

BB guns are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Spud guns are particularly suited to criminal misuse

Slingshots are particularly suited to criminal misuse

 

Who defines who is "unfit" ? The ATF? What a load of crap.  Gun owners are so desperate that this non-statement is probably looked at as "good news." Sigh.

This is akin to a government official in 1905 saying the Indians got a raw deal. Wake me up when a single piece of federal anti-gun law goes away or isn't replaced with something worse.

56 posted on 05/08/2002 1:32:19 PM PDT by agitator
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Jeff Head; Mercuria
fyi
57 posted on 05/08/2002 1:33:33 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: Hard Case
No, just there are some marxists on this forum that are posing as constitutionalists in order to crush the Republican Party. I'm sorry, you may not like it, but it's the truth.
58 posted on 05/08/2002 1:34:22 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: JohnHuang2; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
fyi in case you haven't seen this.

Tonk, thanks for the ping. I really appreciate it.

59 posted on 05/08/2002 1:35:04 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: The Old Hoosier
Finally, something we can be proud of Dubya about. This, cloning, and the ICC withdrawl.

Yeah, that war on terrorism, green light for Israel, tax cut, non-compliance with Kyoto, cessation of funding for foreign abortions, and his fund-raising efforts for a future Republican Senate are worthless. ;-)

60 posted on 05/08/2002 1:35:44 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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